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(...) I say it's about time that filmmakers start taking chances and 'make art', instead of all this crass commercial crap. I mean, Matrix comes out and then a slew of copycats... and appealing to, well me, but that's a topic elsewhere--but bottom (...) (21 years ago, 23-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I have to agree, I downloaded the preview overnight and I am definately intrigued. The last movie I saw that I would classify as art rather than eye candy would have to be "The Red Violin." That was a good movie. -Mike Petrucelli (21 years ago, 23-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Looks like Mel caved after all... The last bit I saw on this yesterday on CNN claimed the film would release on Ash Wednesday next year with subtitles. ::sigh:: Maybe the DVD will release the originally intended, non-subtitled version. Then again, (...) (21 years ago, 24-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Mike Petrucelli wrote: <snip> (...) What flick would someone consider a 'truly art' from America? Like "Citizen Kane" or the like? Or is that just too obvious? Dave K (21 years ago, 24-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Could you restate that please? Are you asking for a list of films that might possibly rise to the level of being called "art"? Does the list have to be composed of strictly american films for some reason? ??? FWIW, I don't actually subscribe (...) (21 years ago, 24-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) No brainer-- This is Spinal Tap If your question is addressed to Americans, then I'd add The Holy Grail; if you meant American films, then I guess it wouldn't qualify;-) JOHN (21 years ago, 24-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Richard Marchetti wrote: <snip> (...) That's what I was going for. While we could debate the artistic merits of the explosion scene of the 2nd floor of the building in 'Die Hard'(1), I was wondering what people would (...) (21 years ago, 24-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Oh My Goodness! I have the Grail on DVD. Seriously, it's so choice. If you have the means, I seriously recommend it. Spinal Tap--not my forte, but 'Best in Show'--lovely. Maybe it was all the Canadians in it :) Dave K (21 years ago, 24-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Of course! Bueller would have to be included! BTW, you only have 1??? (...) If you liked that one, by all means see Waiting for Guffman, and the recently released A Mighty Wind. Same cast (it's almost weird that way), same hilarity. It is a (...) (21 years ago, 24-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Here's my top ten: 10. Thirteen Days 9. Robin Hood Prince of Thieves 8. JFK 7. Dragonfly 6. For Love of the Game 5. Tin Cup 4. Waterworld 3. 3000 Miles to Vegas 2. The Bodyguard 1. The Lion King Oh, wait--that's my list of worst films. (...) (21 years ago, 24-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I confess that I've never gotten into Spinal Tap. I don't know why, but it just doesn't grab me. (...) Terry Gilliam is American by birth, so THG might technically qualify. Dave! (21 years ago, 24-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler wrote: <snip> (...) I was going thru the list and thinking, "boy he likes Kevin", then the end caught me. Should have easily seen coming but I was still taken by surprise :) (...) True. Dave K (21 years ago, 24-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm shocked! I thought Liberals loved that film! JOHN (21 years ago, 24-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) (the sound of clothes ripping) Whaaa? You must be a closet metalhead who felt the jab of satire a little too close to home? :-) More proof that you and I don't see eye to eye on much-- as if that were needed:-) JOHN (21 years ago, 24-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) In no particular order and not limited by national boundries, I give you... Thee List: 01. Prospero's Books (Greenaway) -- There's simply nothing else like it 02. Hamlet (Branagh) -- Closest film adaptation yet! Sorry, Mel -- not even close... (...) (21 years ago, 24-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) It's not about "art" for him, it's about trying to recreate the event as closely as humanly possible for whatever reason. What a bummer that Jesus wasn't crucified in the 20th century where the event could have been captured on video for (...) (21 years ago, 24-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) If we are gonna quote J.C. Superstar, let's at least get the quote salient to Hoppy's message. :-) You'd have managed better If you'd had it planned Now why'd you choose such a backward time And such a strange land? If you'd come today You (...) (21 years ago, 24-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yes, well, I was quoting the critics (the press and such). You quoted Judas, but perhaps his biggest critic of all. No matter how powerful Mel's work is, I doubt it will top J.C. Superstar (for me, at least) [JOHN] (21 years ago, 25-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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