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Hi all, Just wanted to vent/share some of my frustration with people about the ongoing Iraq war. So with that warning... To all the media, populace, and politicians whining about the war going on too long and having too many American (...) (21 years ago, 17-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Stefan Garcia wrote: **snip** (...) Are you talking about this? (URL) I dunno. YMMV, but it's a bit trite for my tastes, like Alan Jackson's over-praised effort. Anyway, I'd recommend checking out Ani Difranco's "Self (...) (21 years ago, 17-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hi Stephan, welcome to the show that never ends! <snip> I'm sure that this stuff I just snipped has been addressed elsewhere in o.t-d, and I'm sure some will bring it up again... so I'll leave that if he could. He is a bit of a klutz though, (...) (21 years ago, 17-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) To reply (again...) From the Democratic Underground website (partisan, I know, but if the points are valid, who cares where the source is from?) " For some time, many on the Left have been using a working hypothesis about the invasion of Iraq. (...) (21 years ago, 17-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Kooties and Dave! save me so much trouble sometimes. What swell guys! -- Hop-Frog (21 years ago, 17-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Here for ya Hoppy! Dave K (21 years ago, 17-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm getting exactly what I expected: we rolled over Saddam's army in record time with stunningly little losses, but now the venture is increasingly looked on as neo-colonialism (oh hey, let's siphon off a little of that oil because we are due (...) (21 years ago, 17-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Richard had made this point a while ago elsewhere and I admit that its truth gave me pause. I still think that liberating the Iraqis was a morally good thing to do, but I agree that we cannot force them to accept Freedom and Democracy. It is (...) (21 years ago, 17-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Have you seen how your version of 'democracy' is doing right now? Let's play a game--let's ask people around the world whether they want to be a insert their country here or an American. That would be a poll I'd love to see. Riots in the (...) (21 years ago, 17-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Why make it a game? Just look at the numbers. Which country has the most people trying to get to her shores? (...) Xenophobic views of the rest of the world???? Let's talk about your skewed perception of the US first! JOHN (21 years ago, 17-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal wrote: (snip) (...) At this time of the year, I'd venture The Bahamas. And what a complete country it is! Not only they have shores, but also off-shores... :-) Pedro (21 years ago, 17-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.fun, FTX)
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(...) Most country songs are plain-spoken but he has a point about at least commitment to an effort. (...) It goes a bit too extreme for my tastes in some areas, but definitely a good and pointful song. Ah, the golden age of railroads. A simpler (...) (21 years ago, 17-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Well duh it's colonialism. :^p As for the other big business/oil money/rigged election stuff, I'm keeping my nose out of that. I don't know enough about it to make an educated comment. -Stefan- (21 years ago, 18-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Glad to be here! :^p (...) It was necessary to protect the chain of command, remember. They didn't know if there'd be a follow-up attack of some sort. (...) The world has hated and distrusted Americans for a lot longer than 2 years. (...) You (...) (21 years ago, 18-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) LOL maybe we need lugnet.off-topic.rant...... ROSCO (21 years ago, 18-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yeah, that's always been a bit confusing. Americans don't like others, the country is built on the backs of those "others" that came here...etc. (...) See above. Americans are xenophobic. Especially now. I could attribute that to the majority (...) (21 years ago, 18-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Let's talk about the plusses of socialism. Let's talk about the minuses of capitalism. Let's talk about the problems with Constitutionalism Let's talk about the 'best democracy that money can buy'. (...) Dave K (21 years ago, 18-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Stefan Garcia wrote: ¦ The world has hated and distrusted Americans for a lot longer than 2 years. I disagree with you here. The world doesn't necessarily "hate" the US, and even the distrust you mention is not universal. (...) (21 years ago, 18-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Hmm...Very well put. -Stefan- (21 years ago, 18-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) She! And if she hears you call her a he, she'll probably stomp your butt! (...) Fair enough. Let me re-characterize it as the worst tragedy inflicted on US soil by a foreign agency. We have yet to see how many lives are lost in its wake, and (...) (21 years ago, 18-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Oops. (...) Foreign agency? Never heard a terrorist group called that before (you learn something everyday indeed). I did forget about the military/civilian distinction though, so 9-11 is a much greater tragedy in that respect. -Stefan- (21 years ago, 18-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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