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Just when I keep on thinking that I'd have nothing else to rant about... —David Koudys

Free country my heinie! (URL) and national Republicans had worried that a flag referendum the same day as the presidential election could spark a huge turnout by blacks and moderate whites and potentially affect the fortunes of GOP candidates, (...) (21 years ago, 12-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Just when I keep on thinking that I'd have nothing else to rant about... —Wayne McCaul

You know, I never understood the Confederate flag's ability to still fly in any official capacity. I mean, race-issue aside, isn't it the symbol of a treason nation? A rebellion that was put down? Why wasn't it outlawed at the end of the Civil War? (...) (21 years ago, 12-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

What the Confederate flag stands for. (was Re: Just wh...) —Mike Petrucelli

(...) Contrary to what most school teachers teach childern, the Civil War was not primarily about freeing slaves. Freeing slaves was the secondary purpose behind the Civil War. Consider the most famous Confederate General, Robert E. Lee. General Lee (...) (21 years ago, 14-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: What the Confederate flag stands for. (was Re: Just wh...) —Bruce Schlickbernd

(...) But it should be noted that the election of Lincoln was the catalyst for the war, despite the numerous other factors that seperated north and south. I can't recall any school teachers that said the Civil War was about freeing the slaves (...) (21 years ago, 14-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: What the Confederate flag stands for. (was Re: Just wh...) —Mike Petrucelli

Ok this is in reply to all three posts following my original. I guess I should have been more clear. I was explaining why people still cling to the Confederate flag, not attempting to justify it. The line; "Today most people see the flag as a symbol (...) (21 years ago, 14-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: What the Confederate flag stands for. (was Re: Just wh...) —Dave Schuler

(...) That's cool, but the bigger issue raised by your post was the claim that slavery was not central to the Civil War. I'd like to hear your further thoughts along that line of discussion, particularly in light of Stephen's comments. (...) (...) (21 years ago, 14-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: What the Confederate flag stands for. (was Re: Just wh...) —Mike Petrucelli

(...) should (...) Slavery was central but it was the secondary issue. The primary issue was the states right to secede, that is why the war was fought. Of course in this case the states tried to exersice their right to secede because the Federal (...) (21 years ago, 14-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: What the Confederate flag stands for. (was Re: Just wh...) —Dave Schuler

(...) Interesting. I'm not sure I can reconcile that claim with Stephen's statements (which assert outright that the institution of slavery is of paramount importance), but at least I understand your view better now. Thanks for the clarification. (...) (21 years ago, 14-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: What the Confederate flag stands for. (was Re: Just wh...) —Bruce Schlickbernd

(...) I would have to argue that Mike isn't quite understanding what he wrote. Slavery was central but a secondary issue? No, it is either not central, or it wasn't a secondary issue. The chain of events over the previous decade makes it fairly (...) (21 years ago, 14-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: What the Confederate flag stands for. (was Re: Just wh...) —Dave Schuler

(...) Bruce, I thought I told you before--If you're going to reply to my posts, I'm going to have to require you to agree with me blindly and absolutely. Don't ask for clarification when I've already decided to say I understand, even if I don't (or (...) (21 years ago, 14-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Being properly servile —Bruce Schlickbernd

(...) (eager to please) How shall I "ef" off, oh lord? ;-) -->Bruce<-- (21 years ago, 14-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: What the Confederate flag stands for. (was Re: Just wh...) —Mike Petrucelli

(...) I guess I was thinking something along the lines of Slavery was the reason for the reason. (as silly as that sounds.) (...) Well that was a much better explanation than mine. :-) -Mike Petrucelli (21 years ago, 15-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: What the Confederate flag stands for. (was Re: Just wh...) —Dave Schuler

(...) Good for Lee. And his biggest claim to fame thereafter was having an orange car with welded doors named after him. As of March 21, 1861, Confederated Vice President Alexander Stephens obviously thought that slavery was a key issue in the war, (...) (21 years ago, 14-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: What the Confederate flag stands for. (was Re: Just wh...) —David Koudys

(...) And whereas I'd be the first to be on-side with separating 'the stuff from the Stuff', would you walk around waxing poetically about the wonderfulness of the swastika in this day and age? For the sake of peace and harmony, and for the sake of (...) (21 years ago, 14-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Just when I keep on thinking that I'd have nothing else to rant about... —Ron Sedlmeyer

(...) Politicians are in the business of getting their party elected (at a high level at least). I really don't think that it has to do with "racist bigots", but more with the fact that traditionally, blacks vote against GOP (I know, very bad gross (...) (21 years ago, 12-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Just when I keep on thinking that I'd have nothing else to rant about... —Bruce Schlickbernd

(...) When they vote against my interests, I'm happy to have them stay home if they like. I'd even arrange to have non-stop wrestle-mania to encourage them. :-) (...) They don't want lazy democrats worked up, black or otherwise. It'll give (...) (21 years ago, 12-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)