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Re: What the Confederate flag stands for. (was Re: Just wh...)
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Fri, 14 Feb 2003 16:43:17 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler writes:
In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Mike Petrucelli writes:
Ok this is in reply to all three posts following my original. I guess I • should
have been more clear. I was explaining why people still cling to the
Confederate flag, not attempting to justify it.

That's cool, but the bigger issue raised by your post was the claim that
slavery was not central to the Civil War.  I'd like to hear your further
thoughts along that line of discussion, particularly in light of Stephen's
comments.

Slavery was central but it was the secondary issue. The primary issue was the
states right to secede, that is why the war was fought. Of course in this case
the states tried to exersice their right to secede because the Federal
Government outlawed slavery.

Although I believe in the States right to secede and recognize that right was
lost in the Civil War, the confederate flag is not a good symbol for that
cause because in that instance the Federal Government was right.

Additionally, Lincoln was correct to act against the secessionist states,
since allowing them to secede would have been to violate his oath to uphold
the Constitution and maintain the security of the State.

The Constitution grants states the right to secede if the Federal Government
oversteps its authority.  In this case the Federal Government was right to do
so but in so doing they eliminated a power check against the Government. Many
people that did not believe in slavery fought on the Confederate side because
they believed that preserving the power check was more important. I don't know
about that, but they lost anyway so it doesn't really matter.

-Mike Petrucelli



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  Re: What the Confederate flag stands for. (was Re: Just wh...)
 
(...) Interesting. I'm not sure I can reconcile that claim with Stephen's statements (which assert outright that the institution of slavery is of paramount importance), but at least I understand your view better now. Thanks for the clarification. (...) (22 years ago, 14-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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  Re: What the Confederate flag stands for. (was Re: Just wh...)
 
(...) That's cool, but the bigger issue raised by your post was the claim that slavery was not central to the Civil War. I'd like to hear your further thoughts along that line of discussion, particularly in light of Stephen's comments. (...) (...) (22 years ago, 14-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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