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| | | (...) That's a ridiculous statement. And it is so poorly supported by any meaningful argument as to be pointless to debate the matter. (...) No, that would be false. GWB might wish to errode my rights, but that would be what is so great about our (...) (23 years ago, 15-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | Re: "The Constitution is what the judges say it is" —Scott Arthur
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| | | | (...) What I mean is that rather than debate these issues, we get an argument that goes like this: "It's in the constitution, so we can't change it". I find that "ridiculous". Here is an example: (URL) Gore declared that "the Constitution is a (...) (23 years ago, 15-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: "The Constitution is what the judges say it is" —Richard Marchetti
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| | | | (...) Well almost any kind of minor legal hassle can have the appearance of erroding my rights -- including a bill to stop terrorist activities. The real test comes in time, tested in the courts, and sometimes even retested in the courts. Sometimes (...) (23 years ago, 15-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: "The Constitution is what the judges say it is" —Scott Arthur
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| | | | (...) It does not sound all that great when you describe it like that? (...) I agree with some of what you say, but at times I think we get too hung up on property rights. (...) Thanks again for your comments. I think we *all* have good things to (...) (23 years ago, 15-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: "The Constitution is what the judges say it is" —Richard Marchetti
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| | | | (...) Well, that's human history for you then. It's not the case that your country has anything better to offer, I know. It's trial and error, and so on...sometimes justice doesn't come quickly, or even at all. The Constitution is NOT what the (...) (23 years ago, 15-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: "The Constitution is what the judges say it is" —Scott Arthur
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| | | | (...) The problem with your system is the huge inequalities in your country. Political power is bought and sold like cheese at a cheesemongers. People keep guns to protect themselves from there *own* government. Your healthcare system is derided (...) (23 years ago, 16-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: "The Constitution is what the judges say it is" —Lindsay Frederick Braun
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| | | | | (...) That's a gross overstatement, and a pretty glib generalization. influence, perhaps; but political *power* must be negotiated. And you don't think this happens in Britain? Please. You just don't talk about it quite the same way, in part because (...) (23 years ago, 16-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: "The Constitution is what the judges say it is" —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | (...) It was meant to be a caricature – and I said it was! (...) What I was talking about was how in the USA the main political parties are hugely indebted to their sponsors. On of the criticisms of GWB's NMD was that it was payback. Dan has alluded (...) (23 years ago, 16-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: "The Constitution is what the judges say it is" —Richard Marchetti
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| | | | | | (...) And reform in this area is coming -- give it time. Even the two party system is slowly but surely under attack. Again, time will correct these issues. As far as the whole gun thing goes: Sorry to disappoint you but I believe that the ruling (...) (23 years ago, 16-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: "The Constitution is what the judges say it is" —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | | (...) Mature democracies outlaw them. :-) (...) In my ideal there would be no charities. We can save that one for later. (...) Scotland - not really England - hmm London - Yes (...) GP on demand (walk-in clinic) Specialist in less than 1 month (I'm (...) (23 years ago, 16-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Public v Private Health Care (Re: "The Constitution is what the judges say it is") —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | (...) I looked at this a little more. The USA spends 12.9% of its GDP on health (highest in the world). The UK spends just 6.8% of GDP. France spends 9.3% and has the best Healthcare system - as rated by WHO (not the pop group). The UK system is (...) (23 years ago, 18-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: "The Constitution is what the judges say it is" —Bruce Schlickbernd
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| | | | (...) Money is a form of power. You have more money, you have more power. I'm not talking about the United States, mind you, I'm talking about the world at large throughout history. I'll grant you it's pretty blatant here. (...) No, that's not (...) (23 years ago, 16-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: "The Constitution is what the judges say it is" —Scott Arthur
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| | | | (...) My comment was caricature. (...) I would say "free", but try to talk be round if you want! (...) They are freedoms to me... perhaps it is my culture. Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 16-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: "The Constitution is what the judges say it is" —Bruce Schlickbernd
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| | | | (...) My point exactly, if not directly stated. (...) A bit garbled - I'm not quite sure what you are saying here. Sorry. But I think I address what you are trying to say below. (...) No, it's not you culture. The people of Chicago often noted that (...) (23 years ago, 16-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: "The Constitution is what the judges say it is" —Scott Arthur
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| | | | (...) I said it was a caricature in the message you replied to(!) :) (...) I would say "free", but try to talk me round if you want! (...) So you think I'm less free as I don't/can't have a gun, even though I would feel less free if I did have one? (...) (23 years ago, 16-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: "The Constitution is what the judges say it is" —Bruce Schlickbernd
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| | | | (...) I said nothing about guns in specific. Nor does this address what I said: you can give up a freedom for security. Okay, this is what you have done: you can't carry a gun, but you feel more secure because of it. You'd rather have the security (...) (23 years ago, 16-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: "The Constitution is what the judges say it is" —Scott Arthur
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| | | | (...) Hmm. I see your point. Secure means this: "able to avoid being harmed by any risk, danger or threat" Simply, free means this "not limited or controlled". I think the UK being "gun free", gives me both. I suppose another freedom I have lost (...) (23 years ago, 17-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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