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(...) I'm amazed by this lack of trust in the authorities. In the UK, we elect people to office. If they do a lousy job, we elect someone else next time. The constant threat of losing their job generally makes them listen to the populace during (...) (23 years ago, 20-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Some related fun: (URL) A (23 years ago, 20-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Erm. 'Fun'? No, that's childish 95% fact-free propaganda. You're just inviting links to this sort of stuff from all sides. I'd rather not see links to similarly insulting propaganda from the NRA* posted here, so I'd rather not see that brought (...) (23 years ago, 20-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Sorry, I did not realise you were policing this "debate". Perhaps you should give an outline of the type of response you do want? I have no problem with anyone posting links to just about any view they wish. I still view the link as fun way of (...) (23 years ago, 20-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No-one's stopping you. You posted it, I said what I thought of it. I don't think that showing the result of someone else's opinions adds much to the debate. If you wholeheartedly back that campaign, then what are it's aims and means? That (...) (23 years ago, 20-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Who mentioned a "campaign"? (...) I think you are wrong. I think the movie could be viewed as parody of the kind of situation which we see in the movies which feed gun culture. I think the target audience of the two may be similar. Do you (...) (23 years ago, 20-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I don't. The people for whom I vote, lose. What can I do? I am completely at the mercy of the majority. (...) How do you define this, and what makes you think so? Chris (23 years ago, 20-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) isn't, in your view? Or is it that you can post stuff in response but not initiate via posting, in your view? (23 years ago, 20-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Further, the system has been deliberately skewed (on many levels) to ensure that the current two parties are virtually unseatable, so the hope for real change at the ballot box is slim. Fortunately, the two parties we are stuck with tend to (...) (23 years ago, 20-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Larry, What you do is cut-and-paste LP dogma repeatedly in an effort to incite a noisy debate. When you do it, you are unwilling to justify what you post. My most recent action aside, if people are unhappy with me justifying any point I make (...) (23 years ago, 20-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What is you proposed solution on this? Smaller parties in the UK back PR as they hope it will benefit them? Is that on the agenda in the USA? Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 20-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The solution that I would like to see for the US is undistricting. If we were electing the top n representitives instead of the top one from n districts, then small parties would get at least some representation. When that happened, I expect (...) (23 years ago, 20-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Good idea. The tiny majority in your last election is similar to what kept the Tory government hanging on to power by their fingernails for a while over here. With only 40% of the vote, they still managed to keep just over 50% of the seats in (...) (23 years ago, 20-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Maybe it's not a very solid argument, since I don't think any one individual is likely to fall into both camps. But, from what we see of your election campaigns it's all about who can throw the most money around, and behind the scenes offer (...) (23 years ago, 20-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The difference may be a matter of scale (The U.S. is much larger than the U.K. both in size and population -- hence we are each of us less represented, or more distanced, from our representatives esp. at the federal level) and the fact that in (...) (23 years ago, 20-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Could you clarify this paragraph for me, please? (...) This confused me. If the government currently is oppressive, but not bad enough to actually rebel against, why would I want to give up my arms now? I may well be working for political change, (...) (23 years ago, 22-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) But is the flip side not that small parties end up with too much power - the tail starts wagging the dog? I suppose the Israeli system of election is the best example of this: (URL) A (...) (23 years ago, 24-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) were (...) happened, (...) small conservative party is exercising more than it's share of control. Presumably the people back them in rough relation to their voting power. What I am troubled by, both in our system and the other ones with many (...) (23 years ago, 24-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I agree with your point on parties. I decided a few years ago that I would never join a party again as it was too much of a compromise. Likewise I try not to pigeonhole myself as being assigned to any particular political ideology. That way, I (...) (23 years ago, 25-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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