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The bigger point is: Even if we thought we COULD reproduce the BigBang, should we? What would be the consequences? Would we annihilate our universe in the process? A smaller point related - Black Hole theory. While investigating Black Holes is (...) (24 years ago, 1-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Thank-you Tom. I just wanted to be sure exactly where you stand. It's tough posting with people you aren't at all sure of where they stand. So, your belief systems says that you don't know if there is a God. And if there is you need some hard (...) (24 years ago, 1-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ah. I suppose that's the beauty of God - that He entrusts His perfect plan into the hands of imperfect people - yet it will not fail. :-) -Jon (24 years ago, 1-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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If it matters (which it doesn't), I am basically agnostic. I won't believe without proof, and NOONE to date has shown proof. I "have faith" that I am right, that God doesn't exist until he taps me on the shoulder, so noone will really be able to (...) (24 years ago, 1-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) HA HA That's why it's a theory - once it's gets more evidence they'll refine the theory yet again. Unfortunately, they'll never be able to prove the theory which is what science drives for. That is, without a supernatural force entering into (...) (24 years ago, 1-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Jeromy Irvine writes: <snip> Think about Goedel and whether the author's statements are part of the system they describe or not. They aren't. But since you won't do that thinking... When I put meaningful in quotes I was (...) (24 years ago, 1-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"Jon Kozan" <jauction@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:G4wt23.J1K@lugnet.com... (...) DOH! The third paragraph is what I think I meant to say. "I am more offended than you by what I see in Christendom." :o) -- Tim Courtney - tim@zacktron.com (URL) (...) (24 years ago, 1-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Contrary to your opinion, I didn't skulk away. I'm busy enough trying in every free minute (the few that I have) to keep up with those who spend their entire day in this group :-O Just for you, I'll revisit the posting, and reply. (...) I'm (...) (24 years ago, 1-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Right you are, Bill. They go to Hell for not rubbing blue mud in their bellybuttons (1). Er, that is, for not accepting Christ's love, putting aside whatever logical qualms about the contradictoriness, unprovability, or non-necessity of God's (...) (24 years ago, 1-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) All right, all right. What I was getting at is that The Big Bang doesn't imply any supernatural intervention, and as such it is by definition theoretically accessible under physical theories (even if they haven't been formulated yet). At no (...) (24 years ago, 1-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) (John reveals his soft underbelly of linguistic responses) -Jon :^D (24 years ago, 1-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) If I ain't gonna do easy homework for Dr. Scott (who at least, of late, has been posting some incredibly interesting cites, asking thoughtful questions, and conceding a point here and there (not all of them, mind you :-) ) when he's wrong) I (...) (24 years ago, 1-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) If you consider that creationsim has been around since Moses penned the book of Genesis - and even before that though it wasn't written down, I guess you can call creationism "current". By your standard, then, most every theory known to man is (...) (24 years ago, 1-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Speaking as a Physicist myself... (are you??) Physics cannot prove the Big Bang - any honest Physicist will admit, as do I, that it is only a _theory_, indeed, one which cannot be proven. Evidence suggests that something occurred, but evidence (...) (24 years ago, 1-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hmm.. That's interesting, and I hadn't considered it that way. My understanding was that Christ's death provided atonement for Originial Sin, but I didn't realize it's applications to sins-in-progress. Is that part of the "new and everlasting (...) (24 years ago, 1-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No I won't.....er damn! :-) -John (...) (24 years ago, 1-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"Larry Pieniazek" <lpieniazek@mercator.com> wrote in message news:G4wp09.635@lugnet.com... <snip> (...) The author is stating something he believes is a fact. Last time I checked, that's a claim. So, is the author's claim meaningful? If not, let's (...) (24 years ago, 1-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) "It must be a guy thing"??? I'm thinking that you're actually more comfortable with the response Dave! provided...?? -Jon (24 years ago, 1-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Bill Farkas wrote: Speaking of Calvin...;-) -John <snip> (...) <snip> (24 years ago, 1-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The difference, without generating yet another sub-debate, is that the Big Bang can be retroactively derived from observable and replicable events. The Creation reported in Genesis is by definition (as you've noted) a supernatural event that (...) (24 years ago, 1-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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