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Re: Critical Thinking
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Fri, 1 Dec 2000 22:29:12 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Jeromy Irvine writes:
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Think about Goedel and whether the author's statements are part of the
system they describe or not.
They aren't.
But since you won't do that thinking...
When I put meaningful in quotes I was shorthanding for the author's
definition that a claim that doesn't tell us anything isn't meaningful. If I
claim that "either I danced with a pink elephant last night, or I didn't",
you don't get much chance to disprove it, and you also don't get a lot of
predictive power out of it.
If you want to disprove the author's statement, produce a claim that is true
but not falsifiable. But make sure it's a meaningful claim, that is, that it
passes the other tests, and that it predicts things. My pink elephant claim
is true and not falsifiable but fails the predictive test.
++Lar
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Message has 2 Replies:
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| (...) you sure? :) all that i know about goedel comes from douglas hofstadter's book 'goedel, escher, and bach: an eternal golden braid', but the impression i got from that was that there isn't a clear answer. of course it's been a while. ;) (24 years ago, 1-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
| | | Re: Critical Thinking
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| Mr. Pieniazek: (...) true (...) When Mr. Irvine challenged the author's statement as being (apparently) self-defeating, you responded with: (...) I (...) The question, with this in mind, can be put as follows: Is the author's statement -- "[E]very (...) (24 years ago, 4-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Critical Thinking
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| "Larry Pieniazek" <lpieniazek@mercator.com> wrote in message news:G4wp09.635@lugnet.com... <snip> (...) The author is stating something he believes is a fact. Last time I checked, that's a claim. So, is the author's claim meaningful? If not, let's (...) (24 years ago, 1-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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