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(...) But there's the rub. No one goes to hell for their sins! How could they if Christ paid for them? The answer follows the famous John 3:16, thru the end of the chapter. Read it for yourself. Bill (24 years ago, 1-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I can't debate unless _you_ state, or refer me to your position. Call me lazy, but I couldn't find what you personally believe stated. I tried a few searches, but I don't have time to ready 7000+ messages in this group alone... and then puzzle (...) (24 years ago, 1-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) (Larry - you and my brother are so similar it's scary.) I, however, would like to know what it is that _you_believe_. Perhaps you've posted it already, and if so, please point me in the right direction. Beyond all the "standard" arguements on (...) (24 years ago, 1-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Who said anything about heaven? That was part of the trap...you assuming too much. The other part of the trap is your incessant ability to nitpick about minor things and miss the entire, OBVIOUS point. This was not about theology, it was about (...) (24 years ago, 1-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Sad fellow there. I guess that's what we get out of academia these days. He purports to add creationism to his list of "current" topics, and then requires an obviously supernatural event, to stand up to a 'replicability' test. I better get (...) (24 years ago, 1-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Zoinks! I forget this part in my second reply - I'm still heavily medicated! The analogy was only intended to be about Larry as a child (--Lar) on a roller coaster, which actually means it's not really an analogy, I suppose. I was only (...) (24 years ago, 1-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I want to answer this a little better now that I have more time: As to Calvinism - I don't buy into the whole hyper-Calvinistic TULIP thing, but I do believe in predestination in the way that Selcuk described it earlier (in reference to (...) (24 years ago, 1-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) <snip> (...) You missed the point - If a member doesn't vote according to the wishes OF HIS CONSTITUENTS, THEY can force a by-election. It's the opposite of party discipline - making the members accountable to those that elected them on an (...) (24 years ago, 1-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) He didn't say that, exactly. He said every "meaningful" (paraphrasing) true claim is falsifiable and then proceeded to show why non falsifiable claims don't help us in our understanding. (...) Good point but while you're thinking about that, (...) (24 years ago, 1-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It's amazing to think that some of their film work is almost 70 years old! Duck Soup, in its day, was deemed so volatile that Il Duce banned its screening in Italy for several years, and its madcap anti-war sentiment was echoed fully 40 years (...) (24 years ago, 1-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"Larry Pieniazek" <lpieniazek@mercator.com> wrote in message news:G4wJLA.DAL@lugnet.com... (...) What happens if we hold him up to his own standard? It must be possible to conceive of evidence that would prove the claim -- 'It must be possible to (...) (24 years ago, 1-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I am lazy and act in my own self interest as much of the time as I possibly can. And I'm afraid too... Afraid I consider those virtues rather than the denigrating characteristics you make them out to be. I'm not "most people", believe me, but (...) (24 years ago, 1-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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<snipped even more capriciously than usual!> (...) I agree. Those Marx brothers were pretty zany all right. Yet their belief system (the right to wear silly hats, have dark eyebrows, wave cigars leeringly at matronly women, and honk a large bicycle (...) (24 years ago, 1-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Fortunately for HIM, he wasn't posting to a newsgroup, and wasn't arguing, merely presenting information. So he didn't "lose", per se. (didn't satisfy 2 of the preconditions) Fortunately for YOU, you quoted that quote BEFORE any argument was (...) (24 years ago, 1-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) LOL And he was doing so well, too;-D "...If I claim that Adolf Hitler is alive and well and living in Argentina, how could you disprove my claim?" -John (...) (24 years ago, 1-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Tom Stangl wrote:. (...) I agree wholeheartedly; in fact, I think it is the *best* way to gain an understanding of an opposing viewpoint. All I can ask a skeptic is to presuppose the existence of God for the sake of argument. Get somewhat (...) (24 years ago, 1-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Along these same lines, though in a longer format, is Michael Shermer's book "Why People Believe Weird Things," which I also recommend for anyone who'd like to see an application of critical thinking to a range of odd claims and phenomena, (...) (24 years ago, 1-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Without getting into the question of which is better, it nevertheless still begs the question of why. WHY are you less interested in fun toys? Is it proper for a government to arrange its affairs so that people HAVE to be less materialistic to (...) (24 years ago, 1-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Digging around, looking for something else, I ran across this rather interesting cite... (URL) here have reason to disagree with it? It is in the context of evaluating paranormal claims, but has bearing on a lot of what we've been bandying about (...) (24 years ago, 1-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That's why there are still Marxists and Communists in the world! (And, some would argue, Greens and Libertarians.) best LFB (24 years ago, 1-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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