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(...) Libertarian (...) Can't we just stick to the actual events? :-) (...) fight (...) Elian was at sea, was rescued, and brought here. Oh alright, I'm nit-picking on that one. (...) I don't think persecution was why they left. (...) The child (...) (24 years ago, 28-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Please reread the relevant part: If she had won, I very much doubt she would have fled. I just don't think she was making any statement about communism. (...) You keep projecting your opinions onto Elian's mother (I'm not faulting the opinion (...) (24 years ago, 28-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) WARNING! Don't take your kids to America, you might never see them again! This is frought with danger. Based on China's human rights record (and gross overpopulation) if a Chinese family visited the USA with a young child, would you advocate (...) (24 years ago, 28-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Either that or having him stay in a "democratic" police state. Kya - who has nothing really to add to this conversation other than the opinion that the US is looking more and more like a police state (24 years ago, 27-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In a different subthread Bruce said I was ignoring a post of his. I think THIS is the one he refers to... sorry about that. OK. (...) I think this is the key point in the post that needs responding to. Let's posit a theoretical example. Suppose (...) (24 years ago, 27-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) escape (...) a (...) flown (...) Lost a custody battle in which court system? I'm not going to give any weight to a court system of Cuba. We already know that justice comes out there whatever way the apparatus wants it to. So, yes it is indeed (...) (24 years ago, 27-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) mother (...) many (...) then, (...) Whoa, wait a minute. She snatched the child and fled because she lost the custody battle. If she had won, I very much doubt she would have left. As much as you may view it otherwise, this isn't particularly (...) (24 years ago, 27-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) D'oh! Well, shoot. Good call. That was an unintentional inconsistency, and I think I stumbled between Elian's issue and the world-at-large. My error. (...) I wouldn't have characterized delusion in that way, but I see your point. "Delusion" to (...) (24 years ago, 27-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) *Now* you say that but originally you said "Undoubtedly! But that's still an assumption based on preconceptions" and that is what is leading me to believe that you weren't accepting that in fact most people under communist regimes live in (...) (24 years ago, 27-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Sorry, I was insufficiently precise. Merely by *deliberately* appearing here. If I fall out of a plane flying over Rwanda by accident it probably isn't my intent to apply for asylum there. Now, normally I try to avoid assigning intent but I'd (...) (24 years ago, 27-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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