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(...) Agreed. But I for one appreciate it. And sometimes there is value in the struggle, even if it seems insurmountable unlikely to succeed. Someone needs to remind us all of this from time to time, and the Rev does it better than anyone I know. (...) (18 years ago, 23-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I'm surprised you entered this one then. Religious debates are rarely worth participating in. Doubly so if bold John's involved. (18 years ago, 23-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Hi, Dave. (...) Heh, glad somebody is enjoying it. (...) You make a good point, Dave, and reading over what I wrote I can see why you've brought this up. In the Kirk case, Kirk has listed several independent arguments for why he should be be in (...) (18 years ago, 22-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Brendan Powell Smith wrote: <snip> (...) <snip> (...) Great Googly Moogly this debate is great! Anyway, I just wanted to pop up at this one point--it's best described, for me anyway, as the 'Decker Arguement' See, here's (...) (18 years ago, 22-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No, they need not be mutually exclusive, but I don't see that that is more than a trivial point to make. I suppose someone could, for instance, be rationally convinced that nautral selection accounts for the diversity of life on Earth because (...) (18 years ago, 22-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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--snip-- (...) I don't know where you got this idea from. There are plenty of ways to test hypotheses about the origins of the universe. The Big Bang hypothesis is pretty much accepted by all scientists to the point that it could almost be (...) (18 years ago, 22-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Must they be mutually exclusive? (...) How? Via torture? ;-) (...) I'm not sure I even understand what the term "Son of God" means. I do know that it isn't merely a synonym of "Son of Man", "Lamb of God", "Messiah", etc. As for His revelation (...) (18 years ago, 22-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Well, for me it's the ultimate question. And I believe that the origin of the universe is the ONLY PLACE where science and religion collide and become indistinguishable from each other. (...) Science doesn't just accept a "we don't know." (...) (18 years ago, 22-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I'd venture to say that this is just about your favorite question, because you return to it repeatedly! The answers, of course, are many and various: atheists don't necessarily deny the existence of God; they just don't believe that he exists (...) (18 years ago, 20-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Brendan Powell Smith wrote: <snip> (...) <snip> (...) And this is where I jump in (after reading most, but not all of this thread, so if this has been covered, please forgive) I think one of the first straws that sent me (...) (18 years ago, 19-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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--snip-- (...) It is also possible that the English word "division" in that context has changed. If you look at "divisional" it usually implies an active (and possibly hostile) act of division so it is not unreasonable to assume that the word it is (...) (18 years ago, 19-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Just to clear up any misunderstandings, I don't read the actual original ancient Greek text of the New Testament, nor the ancient Hebrew of the Old Testament (though my girlfriend does read Hebrew and sometimes offers me her own translations). (...) (18 years ago, 19-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Ahhh. That changes matters and explains your choice. I didn't realise you actually went back to the original text at times. Impressive. (...) I agree completely. I raised the point merely to anticipate arguments about your choice of (...) (18 years ago, 19-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) To say that it "rings true to you" almost makes it sound like you are evaluating it based on evidence and logic, rationally determining it to be the best explanatory theory. But this is quite different than saying that you are absolutely sure (...) (18 years ago, 19-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Hi, Tim. (...) As far as I understand it (though I am not fluent in ancient Greek myself) it is not merely the context that implies a violent division, but the Greek word itself. I realize that it is usually translated into English as simply (...) (18 years ago, 18-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Well, let's say that it "rings true" to me; I find the wisdom valid for my life. Why? I don't know the reason. But it does. Why do you believe what you believe? Upon what rational basis do you (presumably) deny the existence of God? How do you (...) (18 years ago, 18-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Sorry to respond... I forgot to mention something: I do think that the translation "Do you think I have come to bring peace on earth? No, I tell you, but hostility!" as used by the Reverand is probably not as accurate as "Do you think I have (...) (18 years ago, 18-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Actually, it does really say that. Go read the entire passage and you will see that it says and means exactly that. I have seen an analysis which added a whole lot of created meaning to it in order to make it mesh with the common ideas of (...) (18 years ago, 18-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Exactly. That's why I wouldn't trust it. I mean, even though Samarth hasn't read the Bible, he was sharp enough to ask "does the Bible really say or mean that?" It really doesn't. I know that it is BPS's intention to portray it in a mockingly (...) (18 years ago, 18-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Well, yes and no. I agree that going to the source is the best way, but if Samarth was to do a Hindu equivalent of the Brick Testament I'm sure you would find a lot of stuff in it that you were coming to for the first time. Tim (18 years ago, 18-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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