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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Koudys wrote: snip (...) how'd the double-post happen? I think I clicked the post button once.... The post must've been so well written and eloquent that the server deemed to post it twice! :) Dave K (18 years ago, 28-Jun-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I blame democrats and lefties too--they didn't stand up for what's right and let Dubya take all of America down the wrong path. They knew better yet, due to political expediency, kept their mouths shut and let Dubya and the administration sell (...) (18 years ago, 28-Jun-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I blame democrats and lefties too--they didn't stand up for what's right and let Dubya take all of America down the wrong path. They knew better yet, due to political expediency, kept their mouths shut and let Dubya and the administration sell (...) (18 years ago, 28-Jun-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I call that wiggling. We all know your feelings aboot our neighbor to the north, to say nothing of its hoser inhabitants, eh? And now you're trying to claim that you're not blaming them? For crying oot lood! (...) I would rather see Nick (...) (18 years ago, 28-Jun-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) For the record, and I think I speak for Patrick as well-- he nor I were "blaming Canada", but simply riffing on the song from the TV show South Park called "Blame Canada". My statement was a line from the song. My "I blame Bush" was a jab at (...) (18 years ago, 28-Jun-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Blaming Canada makes sense. Lego in divesting itself of the manufacture of lego elements is following the moves of its two competitors in "system" level elements. Best Lock has ceased manufacturing its semi compatible bricks and now is the (...) (18 years ago, 28-Jun-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) There's a difference: no one is forcing workers in China to go work for these factories. In fact, the hierarchy in China as far as desirable places to work: American company European company Japan/Korean company (a perceived step down to this (...) (18 years ago, 25-Jun-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) They're not even a real country anyway. JOHN (18 years ago, 24-Jun-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I blame Canada, (18 years ago, 24-Jun-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Re: LEGO migrating production to Singapore (...) Thomas Main wrote: (...) I'd just like to toss in that Singapore is a first world country, not a third world country. It's more urbanized than Tokyo, a heck of a lot cleaner than New York (where I (...) (18 years ago, 24-Jun-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Yes the wages and costs would rise with time. The extra money generated in the meanwhile can be used for internal job creation and raising of standards. If the business costs become too high then the business can move to a new lower cost (...) (18 years ago, 24-Jun-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Fair enough - cost savings can be achieved. If all this new work resulted in standards of living increasing in the countries the jobs were farmed out to - wouldn't the wages then have to rise to compensate? Then what would be the long-term (...) (18 years ago, 24-Jun-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Actually, I am glad that they have work, but I would prefer it not processing raw materials for a foreign company so that people can have toys. There are other ways they could be productive -- farming, for instance. Or producing goods that (...) (18 years ago, 24-Jun-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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This recent article on Sweden seemed relevant, though Denmark is compared somewhat favorably, I still wonder about the jobs numbers. (URL) retained the world's highest taxes, generous social security systems and a heavily regulated labor market, (...) (18 years ago, 24-Jun-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Patterson wrote: <snip> (...) Slacker!-- wrecking it for the wrest of us:-) JOHN (18 years ago, 23-Jun-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Presumably you also want to see BL stores go out of business, by placing (URL) huge bogus orders> with them? Or was that just some weird personal vengeance because I don't agree with your views on gun ownership or something???? Please climb (...) (18 years ago, 23-Jun-06, to lugnet.mediawatch, lugnet.general, lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) The bottom line is that TLG is a business, and they are doing whatever they feel necessary to remain in business. Some bad business decisions? Perhaps, but to blame TLG for not having perfect market vision is a little harsh. TLG is an old (...) (18 years ago, 23-Jun-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I'm sick to death of this equation of manufacturing in poor countries being eqivalent to slavery/evil/whatever. It is quite possible for a company to employ people at a good local income in a country where the cost of living is lower and still (...) (18 years ago, 23-Jun-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) The difference, of course, is that the facade of brand-purism would be torn down, and fans would finally have to determine whether they're purists because it's LEGO or because it's made in Enfield. There may be a legitimate issue of quality (...) (18 years ago, 23-Jun-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I wouldn't call the comment stupid. I think it comes from a fan who feels let down and now questions his support of the company that made the decision that led to his disappontment. I feel let down too. I don't want to buy the Lego "brand" by (...) (18 years ago, 23-Jun-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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That is rather cold, however I have often thought of that since it costs me between $5,000 - $10,000 a year just to keep up with the new sets. Being OCD Obsessive/Compulsive Disorder) I have to get two of everything that comes out. Then find the new (...) (18 years ago, 23-Jun-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Don't forget--he had to arrange for Vince Foster's "suicide," too. Dave! (18 years ago, 23-Jun-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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No it was Sadam, why do you think he is on trial. Or maybe Kennedy, he killed that woman by driving into a vat of yellow hot melted plastic. That is what took him so long to report it. Had to get all the yellow off of himself while holding a bottle (...) (18 years ago, 23-Jun-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Ding! I think I see the problem. It's a mistake to frame this as an issue of whether any person's rights are or are not compromised by the presence of a religious invocation on US currency. Instead, the issue should be identified as the (...) (18 years ago, 19-Jun-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I stopped purchasing Lego before 1978, and I *demand* to be able to submit a Joe Vig contest entry using my blank-faced and armless old minifigs. With a police hat, not the fancy brown male hair from 1979. I also see the need for an (...) (18 years ago, 19-Jun-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And slave-owners, and people who unleashed biological warfare upon the indigenous population and ignored every treaty with them besides. Why don't we commemorate these cornerstones of our history as well? (...) Newdow may or may not be a jerk, (...) (18 years ago, 19-Jun-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) It is acknowledging the religious history of this country without necessarily endorsing it. We are a nation of religious people. So what? It's not forcing you to do anything or believe anything. If there is no force or coercion behind the (...) (18 years ago, 16-Jun-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I would question your characterization of two of our governmental branches being under control of fundamentalists. They may be under conservative control, but that doesn't mean that they will kowtow to the fundamental right. I am not in favor (...) (18 years ago, 16-Jun-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I really wish that when terms related to religion (esp. "god") are used, that the standard the courts used was not "oh, that term is secular" but "if a someone is claiming the term is religious and serves to establish religion that the (...) (18 years ago, 14-Jun-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"Judge Frank Damrell of the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of California held in his opinion that "In God We Trust" is secular in nature and use, and its appearance on coins and currency does not show government coercion on behalf of (...) (18 years ago, 14-Jun-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) yo did say you missed the 'good ol' days'... :) I'm just fed up with sitting around whilst these bullies behind the pulpit hit us over the heads with what we should be doing (or shouldn't be doing) and saying they preach the word of 'the God (...) (18 years ago, 14-Jun-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Koudys wrote: ***snip of quite a rant!*** (...) That reminds me of recent studies showing that so-called "abstinence pledges" or "virginity pledges" are often every bit the sham that one might expect. The majority (...) (18 years ago, 14-Jun-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hey Lenny, For myself, my faith in God has never been stronger. That said, my faith in anything 'religious' or 'church'ish, or 'biblical' has never been lower--I'm adamantly opposed to 'pushing' religiousity down everyone's throats. And when (...) (18 years ago, 14-Jun-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm down with that, but here's the problem. The same current-day (and vocal, and generally unopposed in public) fundamentalists who complained about the so-called War on Christmas wouldn't see it that way, and since they control at least two (...) (18 years ago, 14-Jun-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Although my faith in God has been waining lately, I like this justification of the phrase. The notion of higher law (or natural law) has been around for quite some time (and inspired many of the founding fathers). However, I'm pretty sure that (...) (18 years ago, 14-Jun-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) But your interesting angle only answers the question, because it is not the intention of Christians to turn the US into a theocracy, Dave! Look, this nation was founded by people who sought religious freedom, to be free to worship their God in (...) (18 years ago, 13-Jun-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) LMAO!!! Thanks for bringing those to my attention, Larry! They truly made my day - I haven't laughed so much for ages! That Richie guy is a riot!! I managed to find the Joe Vig entry myself though, and liked it so much I spotlighted it, so the (...) (18 years ago, 13-Jun-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) C'mon Larry, this is good..:-) Made me smile, and even giggle..more than once..:-) Selçuk (18 years ago, 13-Jun-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Dear Mr. Jr., (both you and Dear Sir Hoffman actually), you make it in such an unbearable fashion that, it is almost impossible not to want to take a shot... at both of you..:-) with my warmest embraces, Selçuk (18 years ago, 13-Jun-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Well, I guess I just wonder why Christians don't get upset at this widespread violation of the 2nd Commandment. I mean, if the phrase is "secular in nature and in use," then that's a pretty serious dilution of the Big Guy's name, isn't it? And (...) (18 years ago, 13-Jun-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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