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Re: Newdow in the News (again)
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Tue, 13 Jun 2006 23:31:22 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler wrote:
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal wrote:
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Little rules I live by... #13
13. “If you can’t even get the 9th circuit to go along with your
kooky agenda,
then you are really kooky.”
Oh where is the cacaphony of criticism from the Creedless? :-)
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Well, I guess I just wonder why Christians don’t get upset at this widespread
violation of the 2nd Commandment. I mean, if the phrase is “secular in
nature and in use,” then that’s a pretty serious dilution of the Big Guy’s
name, isn’t it?
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But your interesting angle only answers the question, because it is not the
intention of Christians to turn the US into a theocracy, Dave! Look, this
nation was founded by people who sought religious freedom, to be free to worship
their God in any way they saw fit (or not to have to worship at all, for that
matter).
It’s all about the freedom. Yeah, the country was founded by religious people,
but they didn’t care if you practiced their religion or not, and they were
determined to make sure that the government certainly didn’t have a say in the
matter, either. So, Newdow can whine all he wants, but in the end, there is no
evidence of coercion by the government making him (or anyone) worship or think
in any particular way or not.
I like the phrase “In God We Trust”, because it is direct notice to the
government that it is not the ultimate arbiter of Truth or law. There is a
higher law and power to which even the government is accountable. IGWT never
actually defines this power, but simply asserts that governments answer to a
high authority.
I happen to like the idea of “secularing the nature and use” of the term “God”.
God is as much an idea and a concept as much as he is an old man with a long,
white beard;-) I firmly believe that the concept of “God” and the concept of
“freedom” are inexorably linked. And this IMO explains the success of our
system above all others.
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And now, a confession: every single time that I type “Christian,” I come
very close to typing “Christina.”
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For me, it’s “eggnogstic” :-)
JOHN
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Message has 2 Replies:
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| (...) Although my faith in God has been waining lately, I like this justification of the phrase. The notion of higher law (or natural law) has been around for quite some time (and inspired many of the founding fathers). However, I'm pretty sure that (...) (18 years ago, 14-Jun-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| (...) I'm down with that, but here's the problem. The same current-day (and vocal, and generally unopposed in public) fundamentalists who complained about the so-called War on Christmas wouldn't see it that way, and since they control at least two (...) (18 years ago, 14-Jun-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | Re: Newdow in the News (again)
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| (...) Well, I guess I just wonder why Christians don't get upset at this widespread violation of the 2nd Commandment. I mean, if the phrase is "secular in nature and in use," then that's a pretty serious dilution of the Big Guy's name, isn't it? And (...) (18 years ago, 13-Jun-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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