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(...) Comparing SH with pre-war Germany is (URL) misleading>: "Let's be clear about this. Saddam Hussein is not Hitler, as hysterical Americans keep claiming. The charges of external violence are 12 years old. There is no coherent evidence that he (...) (21 years ago, 10-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Would that we could compare that number to the number of innocents who would have been executed by SH by now. Chances are the latter would be higher, and thus Bush's intervention actually saved the lives of innocents in total. (...) We know (...) (21 years ago, 10-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I'm sorry, but that's simply inconsistent with reality. Free trade absolutely does not exist in Iraq. As just one example, an enormous, multibillion-dollar, well-connected company has a stranglehold on the reconstruction process in a no-bid (...) (21 years ago, 10-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Tell that to the Vietnam war dead… an estimated (URL) 2 million> (...) Many would say that it was your nation’s support for the House of Saud that rankled OBL so much… and Bush is still covering for them! (...) Nonsense. Right-wing Israeli (...) (21 years ago, 10-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Bush & Blair looked pretty keen on it! (...) I'm not saying anything. I'm just asking you to justify your point. It looks to me like you've based your opinion on a single quote! (...) He claims to be fighting for world securityfreedom... it's (...) (21 years ago, 10-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) DO YOU AGREE? (...) This war could have been a "civil disagreement", but that's another issue! (...) You are avoiding the issue. How many US troops have been investigated for incidents in Iraq? Scott A (...) (21 years ago, 10-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) You mean like Bush is doing in (URL)? They boil people alive there with your tax-dollars..... wave your little flag at that if you dare! Scott A (...) (21 years ago, 10-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Good questions. They never existed in Iraq-- until now. Whatever happened to opposing blood-thirsty dictators, and promoting freedom and democracy in the world? JOHN (21 years ago, 10-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) What? You are just finally coming to that realization???? :-) JOHN (21 years ago, 10-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) What ever happened to free trade? What ever happened to freedom of speech? For once he does not have Blair's support: (URL) (...) On the "security interests" point, it's good to see that Saudi Arabian companies are in for a share: (URL) Who is (...) (21 years ago, 10-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) War is hell, not civil disagreement. I do not the condone cold-blooded murder of innocent people, nor does the US military. They have their rules regarding such matters, and they will deal with it. JOHN (21 years ago, 10-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(URL) (CNN) -- The Pentagon will bar France, Germany and other countries that opposed the U.S.-led war in Iraq from competing for $18.6 billion worth of contracts in the Mideast nation's reconstruction efforts " " "It is necessary for the protection (...) (21 years ago, 10-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) None of that explains this quote: "Iraqi courts, because of an order issued by the US-led authority in Baghdad in June, are forbidden from hearing cases against American soldiers or any other foreign troops or foreign officials in Iraq." These (...) (21 years ago, 10-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) The pope is a radical? The leader of the Roman Catholic church? Hmmm... I think you're confusing the 'religious radical right zealots' you hang around with with "the silent majority" Or confusing the 'obviously uninformed' wrt 'coalition of (...) (21 years ago, 9-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It is indeed a noble goal to stop someone from killing innocents, and to this end Dubya should be held accountable for every civilian death in Iraq. Further, and this cannot be stated often or loudly enough, the state primary motivation for (...) (21 years ago, 9-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) You actually think that the radicals who show up at "peace rallies" are in any way indicative of the sentiments of the silent majority? All of the denominations you mentioned also oppose the mass killing of innocents at the hands of SH as (...) (21 years ago, 9-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) They were mistakes, hence the acknowledgment with the payouts for wrongful deaths. What would you want? For us not to pay????? JOHN (21 years ago, 9-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Avoiding the truth John? You deleted this line: "That is not my understanding. People have been needlessly killed, and Bush is covering the murderers’ <trails>." Did that story make you proud to support Bush, or did you have to wave your (...) (21 years ago, 9-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal wrote: <snip> (...) <snip> (...) How can you say that? I was at the peace rallies and many many signs were from Church organizations, from the United, Anglican, Methodist, and even my CRC denomination--and (...) (21 years ago, 9-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm a big fan of sarcasm for whatever strange reason... That said--see, there's this problem I've always had, and I'll dredge up two examples... In Star Trek:TMP, Kirk is talking to Decker about why Kirk was put in charge of the mission (...) (21 years ago, 9-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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