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I presume you are in the U.S. for the purposes of the next comment, but even if you are not -- the point is a sound one. I didn't vote for Gore myself, but I ask you: do you really want to live in a country where the elections are being fixed? It's (...) (21 years ago, 9-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Actually motives are a good question. What possible motive could they have had to kill *any* journalist, that would have provided a benefit to them that was worth all the bad press they are receiving now? They have been going out of their way (...) (21 years ago, 9-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And Dubya can have his brother appointed governor of Iraq, and have the Florida election commision make sure that those he doesn't want having ballots don't get them or.... We can trade zingers, Scott, but the real point is do you believe Bush (...) (21 years ago, 9-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Or AlGore can get that bald guy with the glasses to continue recounting hanging chads until he gets the result that he wants. Scott (21 years ago, 9-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) option with the exceedingly long lag delays. Neither the story nor the video. The video would only be conclusive if it showed the whole incident from start to finish, not just the moment of firing. (...) Regarding reports: see what I mean? (...) (21 years ago, 9-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) If that happens, then Dubya can just have the Supreme Court overturn the Iraqi election. Dave! (21 years ago, 9-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) from the article: "With a long career centered mostly in the Middle East, administration officials describe (Barbara) Bodine as an Arabist who favors traditional, "stable" Arab regimes - the kind where democracy does not flourish." Note that (...) (21 years ago, 9-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) First Al Cezirah Baghdad office (bombing, 1 cameraman died, three injured), then Abu Dabi TV Baghdad office (tank fire, no causalties), then Hotel Palestine (tank fire, two died, three injured). All in yesterday, all in just a single day. I'm (...) (21 years ago, 9-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Not because we can't win the war, but because we're already setting up to lose the peace: (URL) (21 years ago, 9-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Not sure I agree with that, exactly, it's rather a long chain of inferences. (...) So stick to them, Dave! They're sufficient. (21 years ago, 9-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Really? Not by any definition I'm familiar with - why do you think it suggests 'dozens'? We have a coalition government in Australia (and it's often refered to as 'The Coalition') which consists of only two parties. (And I note that our (...) (21 years ago, 9-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'll agree they probably didn't give an order that the building should never be shot at. I think that order would be just as idiotic. I don't think they shot at it just to shoot at reporters though either. Which some news reports have (...) (21 years ago, 8-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This one was. See it in www.euronews.net (choose language first; by the time I'm writing this, it's the second video on the main stories page - requires real player to be seen). The story is here: (URL)b) "unclear", my @$$. European network (...) (21 years ago, 8-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Tanks are not necessarily buttoned up (hatches closed with the crew inside). I don't know the current tactical doctrine on whether the commander stays exposed for greater visibilty or trusts to the optics and air-conditioning of the tank or (...) (21 years ago, 8-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) (I have reasons to believe there is a Polish contingent over there as well; and I know that the Spanish Navy has ships deployed in the region to assist in the operations. It's a wider gang than you may think at first, even though only 3 of the (...) (21 years ago, 8-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) From what I could see on the footage, there were at least two tanks and no visible ground troops. I assume the camera, which was located at the hotel, to have about the same viewpoint as the alleged sniper. (...) The RTP reporter was (...) (21 years ago, 8-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) As I pointed out in another post, people on the 11th floor didn't hear the actual explosion loudly enough to find it suspicious, so the failure to hear rifle fire is hardly incredible. I work in a conventional office building--if someone fired (...) (21 years ago, 8-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I won't dispute that the leadership knew of the hotel, not that it did not want reporters killed. I ask you though, "to avoid making it an explicit target", isn't it implying it can very well be an "implicit" one, whatever that may be? (...) I (...) (21 years ago, 8-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I must take exception to the use of the term "coalition" -- a coded term intended to suggest dozens in numbers when in actuality only 3 countries are actively participating in the INVASION of Iraq: the U.S., England, and Australia. Further, there (...) (21 years ago, 8-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It's hard to second-guess battlefield conditions, though I agree that it would have to be an impressive rifle to damage an Abrams. Were there unprotected soldiers or civilians on the ground near the tank? That might change the priority. A (...) (21 years ago, 8-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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