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(...) And I pay my taxes and vote my concience. I just think it's messed up to call it a contract. It's a dodge. I'd be happier if we just enunciated the fact that we are partially or sort-of owned by the state. As long as they control our right to (...) (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You've got to stop using the slaves as an example, because you're hurting your argument. The slaves were forcibly removed from their homeland and forcibly kept at work here as property. They had no opportunity to renounce citizenship and leave (...) (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Right, and the "taxes" paid by the slaves -- in the form of 100% of their productivity -- aided them as well as their fellows. They were fed, clothed, and housed without ever having to worry about those things. And in some cases, the system (...) (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Excuse me? In many cases it was forcibly resolved by the Federal Government. (...) As was demonstrated in 2000, the will of a majority of the people is not necessarily reflected in the election process. (...) You misunderstand--brokers (...) (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) the (...) Which resolved regardless of the the attempts to stop it. (...) So? That is why we have an election. (...) So? Who's fault is it if they lose everything gambling on the securities industry. (...) Also resolved despite efforts to the (...) (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This ia always an interesting quandry. The contract has always been viewed as new-generation-enforcable, but is that correct? Are you bound by your parent's contract (or as far back as necessary to either the original constitution or your (...) (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This is all a dodge: you stated that the left hates Bush because he is a Christian, and yet they supported a Christian for president. The evidence doesn't support your theory. (...) So was I. (...) Actually, they get what they want even if (...) (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What do these goods have to do with taxes? Except for the second order effect of a legal framework to protect contracts, that is. There's no reason any of these have to be government provided. You picked the wrong goods to praise government (...) (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) there seems to be a great deal of material here, and what I did read seemed well thought out. (URL) (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Then they will discover the power of democracy. ;) Remember Bush’s "Read my lips" promise? Scott A (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I've only seen the former. The fact that you call it "the movie with Sting" sort of sums it up. ;) I'm sure I liked it at the time [I was 16]; but it's not stood the test of time all that well. Scott A (...) (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I think there's a big difference b/w the two--in your case, the services you receive via 'your tax dollar' aid you as well as your fellow man. Sure you were 'born into' the agreement, or 'moved into' the agreement when you become a citizen of (...) (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That is absolutely true. (...) By remaining in the country (and partaking of the benefits of government programs) you have willingingly entered the contract (or your parents entered you into the contract, which you must take up with them). (...) (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, explain how it was abrogated (in legally specific terms) and then file suit. Otherwise, leave the country and renounce your US citizenship. Dave! (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) mini-series? (...) The Lynch movie captured the atmosphere much, much, much better though it certainly has it's own array of faults. I couldn't finish the miniseries, I hated it so much! Really, the book is too complicated to easily convert to (...) (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) How does one exit? What if the contract was abrogated by one side (the side with the big guns)? (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) False. Contracts are things agreed to by both parties. I was never given a choice to reject taxes and the attendant benefits. I am no more _morally_ bound by this "social contract" than were the Africans enslaved in the south through their (...) (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Was the movie with Sting better than the William Hurt 'Made for TV' mini-series? I liked the mini-series better myself--the 'thopers alone! Though Jean Juc was in the movie--"I thought you were dead" :) Dave K (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Slam your body down and zigazig ah! Dave! (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You may freely assert that point, but you must also document it, and you should also document how things would have been better without government intervention. The examples I gave: (...) are not social changes (with the exception of the (...) (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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