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(...) Huh?? Defused through us blockading Cuba and threatening to go to war if the missiles weren't removed, then refusing to blink. That would be more like it, I would say. Diplomacy was only the communication channel, not the defuser. Oh, and (...) (22 years ago, 14-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Also, the Morrocan "affairs", in 1904 and 1907, between Germany and France. Things were *hot* back then (for the time standards, that is). Pedro (22 years ago, 14-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Cuban Missle Crisis. Defused through diplomacy. Both sides got something they wanted. Perceptually Kruschev lost, and was deposed eventually because of it. -->Bruce<-- (22 years ago, 14-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I sort of can sympathise with the flight attendant, there isn't much worse (on a NORMAL flight, mind you, not one that suffers some disaster) than a crying infant. But no, I'm not going to stick up for him, he violated rights, pretty clearly. (...) (22 years ago, 14-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, my def'n of 'we' woudn't necessarily be "the US", for then it woudn't be we, as in me... but I digress... ;) I was thinking more along the lines of "if we (as in 'civilized society' whether it be the UN, or such other institution) see (...) (22 years ago, 14-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Okay, I was thinking in terms of *major* global conflicts, such as war. More specifically, I'm looking for examples of diplomacy effectively dealing with an aggressor (nation or entity). JOHN (22 years ago, 14-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It sounds like you're saying that people _should_ suffer. I don't get it. (...) lunacy. It wasn't "his" kid. If I were the parental victim in this case, my wrath would be extreme. Chris (22 years ago, 14-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Are you honestly trying to say that diplomacy is universally and always unsuccessful in all cases everywhere on the planet? That nothing has ever been accomplished by diplomacy? You may wish to modify your statement or at least limit its (...) (22 years ago, 14-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It just got my blood up, and I didn't know where else to post. How about ot.fun, Larry? 8^) (...) Absolutely, just as I'd trust a surgeon to remove my appendix more than I'd trust my bus driver to do the same. No argument. Dave! (22 years ago, 14-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) debate about? I'm thinking no one is going to stick up for the flight attendant (assuming he actually did it, I mean). (...) Even so, there's a world of difference between a doctor who's theoretically educated in the risks of a medication (or (...) (22 years ago, 14-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Why is it the job of the US to bring justice to the world? (22 years ago, 14-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) So I'm asking with all seriousness and no veil of ulterior motive--what do we do? Justice must prevail, if we are to hold to our own ideals. How do we achieve justice in this situation? Dave K (22 years ago, 14-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) But isn't that the direction of society in general right now--any bit of sniffle, any bit of pain, any slight cough, and "dammit, I want my medicine!" Any sort of uncomfortableness and we want a "quick fix"--"why should I suffer the least (...) (22 years ago, 14-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Standard of living in Iraq is now 50% below what it was pre Saddam. Could it get worse if we "lost the peace"? Sure. Do I trust Bush to do a good job? No. What if the UN and the IMF/World Bank are involved? Even worse. So, no win situation. (22 years ago, 14-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Let's attack this point by point. 1. If you're going to accuse Saddam of murders he has not yet committed, then you absolutely must provide evidence that he will do so. Since you're proposing some sort of comparision between the relative (...) (22 years ago, 14-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal writes: <snip> (...) Yeah! Nuke 'em 'til the glow, then shoot 'em in the dark, and let God sort 'em out!! Rah Rah!! Go Team! Dave K (22 years ago, 14-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What does diplomacy accomplish? I mean *really*? Please cite examples of diplomacy working *anywhere* in the world, but not, of course, "diplomacy" conducted in surrender agreements. The fact is that "diplomacy" is merely a synonym for (...) (22 years ago, 14-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(URL) thing you know, doctors will be over-prescribing drugs for kids who have trouble sitting through a boring school day. Nah, that'll never happen... By the way, I am not equating the prudent prescription of medication for those who suffer from (...) (22 years ago, 14-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I think it amy be in reference to a few things--the idiot in charge was replaced with, what was it, 4 other idiots? The 'Cartels', as it were? Are the Afgan folks any better off? They died during the 'military action' and now they have (...) (22 years ago, 14-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Can you elaborate on that? Although we haven't won the peace yet, that war was won pretty decisively, contrary to what the naysayers predicted. (22 years ago, 14-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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