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(...) That may be *one* of the reasons, but it's no more insidious than the NRA's big-business pro-gun lobby, which has much less to do with personal freedoms than it has to do with lining the pockets of the gun industry. That's not to say that the (...) (22 years ago, 11-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) As if he weren't already a canonized thief, W has in a single stroke demonstrated that Clinton (anyone remember our most recently elected President?) was far from our least moral commander-in-chief. (...) Four of the six reps in my area voted (...) (22 years ago, 11-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Well, it's all just so many words now. From what I understand of it, our reps did well by us in the Bay Area, CA. What's everyone else's excuse? It is not generally thought that any war right now will be good for the economy. With low sales numbers (...) (22 years ago, 11-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Isn't that the real reason behind the "gun control is good" lobby? "Support gun control and give up your fundamental rights today." The Tyrants that actually believe what they do is for our own good, are the most dangerous of all. (I know, I (...) (22 years ago, 11-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This is a real interesting question. It's crystal clear to me that the parties should have a lot of say over how their name gets used. On the other hand, perhaps the parties should not "own" positions on the ballot. So, let's say a Republican (...) (22 years ago, 11-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Good. Because if you go down that road it opens up a whole topic about crackpots... in every party... which I think we can skip, ne? However I think there IS an interesting topic in there, which is this, where should a smaller party draw the (...) (22 years ago, 10-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, maybe it's time for me to be a little foolish maybe. I think as long as they know we could revolt, there is likely to never be the actual need to do so -- rather like the concept of mutually assured destruction. I don't think they'll (...) (22 years ago, 10-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Don't be too hard on yourself -- it's REALLY hard to know what is going on without accessing more international sources. And it doesn't matter the source -- almost ALL media is controlled, and usually by people with hefty wallets. You have to (...) (22 years ago, 10-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) There are certainly places where teachers should be making more money. Schools though, waste huge sums of money in an attempt to educate. There are (private) schools that do a better job for less money without depriving the teachers. Maybe the (...) (22 years ago, 10-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Armed rebellion...at least for a little while yet. Chris (22 years ago, 10-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) So, I'll be able to walk the dog, the cat, the bird, AND the ferret?!? Oh no..... Bruce (22 years ago, 10-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You're right, Dave! We should stick to pertinent topics propounded by the Libertarians. I mean, what Californian could forget candidate for Lt. Gov. Pat Wright's pet issue? (URL) C. (22 years ago, 10-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well after reading that enlightening (for lack of a more suitable description) article, I now see that my previous opinion of; "liberating the Iraqi people would be a good idea," was nothing more than delusional idealism. Idealism truly is a (...) (22 years ago, 10-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Now, now! I'm far from a Libertarian apologist, but even I recognize the folly of judging a group by the silliness of one (or a few) of its members (though it may be a lot of fun!). It's much more rhetorically sound to address the tenets of a (...) (22 years ago, 10-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm sorely tempted to make a wisecrack about what this says about the intelligence of libertarians, but I will refrain. Colloidal silver, indeed. --Bill. (22 years ago, 8-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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While the schools themselves may not need money (that's debatable for many areas - if a school is falling apart from lack of money for basic maintenance along with much-needed upgrades, it needs money), the teachers do. If a teacher cannot afford to (...) (22 years ago, 9-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It's going to take a while to digest all this info, may take more than one reading to get the full scope, but ditto to what Dave! just said. Welcome to the American Empire, where the liberties and freedoms of individuals anywhere in the world (...) (22 years ago, 9-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This is, sadly, the exact kind of helplessness and futility that Scott and I were discussing in the other thread. I can read all of this, and it certainly seems consistent with what we know of Bush (eg: stolen elections and questionable (...) (22 years ago, 9-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) (URL) Hop-Frog (22 years ago, 9-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) ... and it appears Bush's geography is little better. The other night he said: ==+== We've also discovered through intelligence that Iraq has a growing fleet of manned and unmanned aerial vehicles that could be used to disperse chemical or (...) (22 years ago, 9-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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