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(...) Faulty thinking and faulty assumptions again. Your having faith is an observable phenomenon that can be studied. Science would not deny that existence of your *having* faith -- it might study the chemical or physical reasons that you maintain (...) (22 years ago, 18-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(URL) gonna spend part of my upcoming vacation reading this stuff (and others, too, I assure you) I love the 'Million Dollar Reward' concept for any demonstrable showing of a paranormal experience. Anywho, there you are. Dave K. (22 years ago, 18-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Since you cast aspersions on Chris' reading comprehension in (URL) is inexcusable that you should fail to read his subsequent post correctly. He is not questioning the "reasons" for your assertion; he's questioning the "reasoning" for it. Can (...) (22 years ago, 18-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'd caution that "infinite" still does not mean "comprehensive," since we could in theory study the potential spatial relationships between two particles and find an infinite number of potential combinations, and that's just two particles. And (...) (22 years ago, 18-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Erik Olson writes: <snip> (...) Rats! Well, that one's out then... Dave (22 years ago, 18-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Forgetting about the nature of my particular chosen religion, and *my* God therein, the question before us is, 'Can *something* exist outside of science?' The idea that I have a faith in an infinite God is inconsequential. The thought that (...) (22 years ago, 18-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) out (...) Yes, I understand. I suppose I was using a short-hand description. My bad. I think we all know and understand what you're asserting. And it's still wrong. It seems that you are suggesting that the nature of "a god" is to (...) (22 years ago, 18-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Christopher L. Weeks writes: <snip> (...) <snip> (...) <snip> And that point is tiresome for me to point out again, and again, and again, but I will, because pointing out the truth, as people here may agree--is the right (...) (22 years ago, 18-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I thought I had quit this thread, but this note was too cool! I think it would make an interesting qualitative study of newsgroup dynamics to get the major participants of a bulky thread to recap the thread in detail. Each of them would emphasize (...) (22 years ago, 18-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Religious persons seem to have a need to create a false opposition between faith and science where no such opposition exists, at least not from the science side of it. To explain this problem I note the following definitions: 1) Faith can be defined (...) (22 years ago, 18-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Good researching. I did take myself out back and slapped myself around a bit--well, figuratively anyway. And I have no problem admitting that, in that particular debate about Ev'n vs Cr'm, things did get a little outta hand (some even had to (...) (22 years ago, 18-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Nope, sorry. The druids didn't integrate very well into the Empire. A young druid named Vader hunted them down and destroyed the last of the Druids. Now their order is all but extinct. No, totally extinct. Gaius Julius Caesar took some notes (...) (22 years ago, 18-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) One guess where I was when my son decided the computer was his to use.... The bird has a new technique to avoid the harness: he puts his head down flush with my arm so that I can't loop it around him. He's too flipping smart (but he's still a (...) (22 years ago, 18-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Aughhh, it's times like that when you just need to step away and get some fresh air... maybe walk the dog... and the cat... the bird.... Maggie C. (22 years ago, 18-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Sorry, all I know about druids comes from Spinal Tap's epic "Stonehenge"(from the infamous "Black" album), which Nigel describes as "an anthem to my Druidic ancestors." Who were they and what were they doing? -John (22 years ago, 18-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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My son wandered in and logged me off when I stepped away and wiped out my almost finished reply. I'm not going to go back and type it up all again for two reasons. One is that it is too much work. Second is that all I'm doing is being forced to (...) (22 years ago, 18-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, William R. Ward writes: <snip> (...) Actually, my 'little' understanding of the druidic, I'm kinda intrigued. Anybody have links and/or a good resource about being a druid? My curiosity is piqued. Dave K. (22 years ago, 18-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I haven't read the entire thread because there's just too darn much of it. But I've read a fair chunk of it, and I'm struck by the insistence that there are only two ways to look at things: science or religion (specifically, Christianity). The (...) (22 years ago, 17-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler writes: <snip> (...) K, lets look at the one quotatoin that this is directly in resonse to, and let me try to show you how I interpreted it without any straw men in sight: Quoteth Richard (I think): (...) "My (...) (22 years ago, 17-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) K, we're just not reading one another here. At all. And I don't know if both of us are just being obtuse, but here's my premise: Science is a good way for us to come to understand the physical universe. Things may exist outside the scope of (...) (22 years ago, 17-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The trouble with birds are that you can fawn over them all day and then they come to expect it (Cockatoos are the worst if you indulge them). When I take time off from work, I'm usually careful not to show the bird more attention than usual. (...) (22 years ago, 17-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) As I said, Richard's identification of your straw man argument doesn't make it so; your argument is a straw man because it caricatures your opponent's position and in so doing you attempt to give yourself an easier target to attack. The fact (...) (22 years ago, 17-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Congos are better talkers as well; perhaps the best. Only Yellow Napes and Double Yellowheads can compare. I used to care for parrots, but never owned one. I think that they are among (if not the most) demanding of all pets. To be truly happy, (...) (22 years ago, 17-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I just flashed on walking catfish. Oh no, you mean this can get worse? And then John's message. Do I need Steve Irwin to help walk the cobra? "Crikey! What's a cob-ra doing in rattlesnayke country? Watch me put me thumb us his..." Bruce (22 years ago, 17-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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You have so completely oversimplified the possibilities in your analysis that a complete evaluation would be quite lengthy. (...) No one thinks this. At least not any more than every feeling-complex is purely physical because our brain contains our (...) (22 years ago, 17-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) But did he try to take the cobra on a walk? :-) Congo. For anyone that doesn't understand those cryptic words, the African Grey comes in two varieties: Congo and Timneh. The former is slightly larger and lighter, the latter is slightly smaller (...) (22 years ago, 17-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Go back and look since you clearly didn't bother to read it in the first place. (...) Another attempt at an emotional response: imply that emotional responses must be "touchy-feely" and therefore something of derision that you wouldn't use. (...) (22 years ago, 17-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I thought it was an accurate summation of his position, and not a simplistic caricature at all, and I did not see any proof to the contrary, just the <delete> 'straw man arguement', and therefore my claim that 'calling it a straw man arguement (...) (22 years ago, 17-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) (22 years ago, 17-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Not even close. But this guy almost did: (URL) Congo or Timneh? (I assume Congo) (22 years ago, 17-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) [ka-snippity] (...) end? ...not until the bird says it's time to go for a walk, *and you listen to him* ;-) (22 years ago, 17-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You are exactly correct. What makes it a straw argument is the fact that you made a simplistic caricature of Richard's argument and then addressed it as though it was an accurate summation of his position. That is the very definition of a (...) (22 years ago, 17-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Bruce Schlickbernd writes: <snip> (...) I just have fish .:Pout:. Oh, and a robot that sometimes follows me around the livingroom when it's so inclined. Dave (22 years ago, 17-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Show me. Just don't say it's a false premise and clip it. It's like, 'I don't agree with that--it doesn't make scientific sense, therefore its false or invalid' which *is* the very nature of this discussion. I never wanted to invoke an (...) (22 years ago, 17-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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No, this isn't about science, or religion, or politics (though no doubt it will transmogrify into that if it goes on long enough, but that is another theory for another day). It's about..... (dramatic pause for effect) ...taking the dog for a walk. (...) (22 years ago, 17-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) wasn't saying you were making that assertion, noting how you argued ~against~ it. that viewpoint is shared by many here and zillions over the globe that humans are the only ones with souls, as we once thought we were the center of the physical (...) (22 years ago, 17-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, James Brown writes: <snip> (...) Well, there's a movie called 'The 7 Year Itch'... ;) Dave K (22 years ago, 17-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I said "an emotional appeal", not emotions. I've clipped the rest of your paragraph because it was preceeding on a false premise. An emotional appeal is one that does not rely on fact, but instead tries to invoke an emotional response to gain (...) (22 years ago, 17-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Really? Do you have a convenient cite for this? I did some google searching, and only found 2nd or 3rd hand references of dubious quality. I have heard the 4-6 year thing before, but never from a particularly qualified source. It's also never (...) (22 years ago, 17-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I believe that this is the intellectual hubris that Dave K is refering to when he talks about elevating science to godhood. By rejecting the notion that there might be anything science cannot address, you are attributing a universality to the (...) (22 years ago, 17-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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