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(...) It is not possible to meaningfully talk about events prior to the big bang (1) at this time. Period. With or without religion. (except in the negative sense of saying that we can't talk about them as we have no frame of reference and no way to (...) (22 years ago, 12-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And you in turn would be mistaken to think I had done so. I've studied the whole bible (and read a fair bit elsewhence) not just that one particular OT book. It's just that Job sums up your god quite nicely for me. Most of the rest is smoke or (...) (22 years ago, 12-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The big problem with it has little to do with the "emotional distress" it supposedly places on people (I said nothing about this, so I'm not sure where you got it from). It has to do with the fallacious logic that the creation of this linear (...) (22 years ago, 12-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Would you say that it is possible to talk about events prior to the big bang without referring to religion? -John (22 years ago, 12-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) His intentions are not lost on me, but I'd rather let him be hoisted by his own petard. He can impugn his character much better than I ever could. -John (22 years ago, 12-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I choose the *perception* that He is a tinpot dictator of a god, which is a misperception. God is unchanging, and God's true nature was revealed by Jesus life and teachings. Since that nature is that of a loving and just God, this is how I (...) (22 years ago, 12-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I don't think what makes a theory scientific is as hard and fast as some would like to indicate. Does it have to "helpful" to be scientific? Why would it have to? (...) Basically, Creationist Theories don't fit the known evidence. (...) (...) (22 years ago, 12-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Of course a fish is still a fish. I mean, what else would it be? If you are trying to state (but not quite saying it) that a fish can never evolve into another species, that's easy to answer: yes it can. I think you are really trying to say it (...) (22 years ago, 12-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I judge the nature of your god by the evidence presented. The ends do not justify the means, and there is no possible justification for your god's persistent torture of Job. If the bible is revealed truth, your god isn't a very good (...) (22 years ago, 12-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Wrong! You miss the point. The author of Job *doesn't* know the true nature of God. I happen to appreciate the honesty of the Biblical redactors to include the book of Job. The revelation of the nature God to the Israelites was a *process*, (...) (22 years ago, 12-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) A creator is not a theory. It fails the falsifyability test. You seem not to understand this... (...) The evidence indicates support for the Big Bang (I think that's a misnomer in modern terminology, but OK...) and as Dave! is relating quite (...) (22 years ago, 12-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You've lost me. To what idol are you referring? (...) Jesus Himself deviates from the Passover rite. He instituted a new one during the old one (the oldest rite that is still observed today, AFAIK). Jesus *IS* the pascal lamb. The blood of (...) (22 years ago, 12-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ya, me too. Of course, I may have read a different version than you... in my view Job should never have been allowed to remain in the bible as it spells things out quite clearly for those paying attention. It reveals the true nature of the (...) (22 years ago, 12-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I had no idea that Stone Age was an unpc term. I must update my civilization terminolgy lexicon. Mabye metallurgically challenged? Not preferring alloys? Archae/anthro 'gists have been the worst ambassadors and tomb raiders since recorded (...) (22 years ago, 12-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm OK with that so far as it goes... Tribes in the stone age ARE less developed. And I am perfectly OK characterising my life (and my society) as "better" than theirs. We have LEGO(r). They don't. QED. Next! ++Lar (22 years ago, 12-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Richard Marchetti writes: Richard, please stop baiting John. (22 years ago, 12-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Careful, your (non classical) liberal education is causing you to use loaded words... that they happen not to be correct is an added bonus for those keeping score at home. (22 years ago, 12-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That may be true, but I wonder: When evolution is taught in schools, is it preceded by the topic "origin of the universe"? That seems logical to me, and I'd be willing to bet that Big Bang garners all of the press (to the exclusion of (...) (22 years ago, 12-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It could be seen as a kind of idolatry. But it also suggests that your faith is whatever you think it should be. I am not seeing any citations or authorities for the practice of either Xmas or Easter here, John. (...) As performed during a (...) (22 years ago, 12-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Okay, but it's still not scientific. My claim that I just came back from the men's room is falsifiable, but that's not really scientific, either. (...) The flood story? the GLOBAL flood story? Not hardly. And anecdotal examples of failures of (...) (22 years ago, 11-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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