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(...) The fact that these attacks are suicide attacks is irrelevant. The issue is the deliberate and unjustifiable killing of civilians. (...) What do padres promise your country’s troops as they go into battle? Hell and damnation? I think not! (...) (23 years ago, 8-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What exactly are these warriors promised from the afterlife? How is their belief about the ultimate sacrifice different than our own? Many Americans have made suicidal attacks "in the line of honor." How and why is it different? I think that (...) (23 years ago, 8-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Christopher L. Weeks writes: <snip> (...) <snip> (...) In our culture, we are mostly brought up to believe that life is precious and that suicide isn't a viable option. We are shocked and dismayed when people kill (...) (23 years ago, 8-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) ...and agree with you. Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 8-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I agree with you. Fredrik (23 years ago, 8-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hmmm...I think these are all very closely related ideas. Yes, debate has a specific meaning -- but classically, formal arguments are comprised of appeals to ethos, pathos, and logos. To use non-greek terms, a formal argument appeals to one's (...) (23 years ago, 7-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No, do NOT do that! My post was to try to clear up some confusion on my part (and perhaps others) on where you are coming from, and build a new basis for constructive dialog. If you take away from that the idea that I'm thinking you should not (...) (23 years ago, 7-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The charter of the group reads as follows: "lugnet.off-topic.debate– Off-topic (non-LEGO®) discussions: debates, controversies, etc." Although it's called .debate, I had always thought that there was room for open personal discussions within (...) (23 years ago, 7-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Allan Bedford writes: <snip> I'm starting to realise something... Maybe should have realised it sooner. Perhaps we need a disclaimer from you. (or you from us) If I get the sense of what I snipped away, what you do when (...) (23 years ago, 7-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I guess if loose can mean _very_ loose then it's still OK. You were suggesting a difference in status between conversation and hobby-research but to me they're the same thing. I talk about the things I'm thinking about. That's research of a (...) (23 years ago, 7-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Sorry, I guess I didn't realize that the phrase wasn't meant to be taken at face value. From the way I read it here, you were gathering commentary and opinions in some loose research project. The same way that 'hobby farming' actually (...) (23 years ago, 7-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) We were. That's all. I'm not categorizing your responses and writing papers. It's just a hobby of mine to explore what people think about education. I used the phrase "hobby-research" a single time in a throwaway comment. Such a comment does (...) (23 years ago, 7-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I think the point I was trying to make to Christopher was that I didn't realize the debate had turned into a research project. I just thought we were talking about the importance of reading. As it was, I wasn't exactly sure what he was driving (...) (23 years ago, 7-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You said something to that effect a couple of days ago. It's funny -- I consider myself a complete amature when it comes to statistics. I'm comfy applying and analyzing stats to social-science kind of situations and I can use SAS, SPSS, or (...) (23 years ago, 7-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That was more of a hyperbole, really, and sort of a nod to your superior grasp of statistics. Anyway, I'm sure most of our disagreements are merely online--I think in the real world our views would be much more compatible. (...) See? That's my (...) (23 years ago, 7-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) See ya, you'll be missed. (...) I think that good stuff happens here amid the bad. I think that debate happens. I have changed my mind more than once due to discussion on this newsgroup. I place such a premium value on having that happen that (...) (23 years ago, 6-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I like the direction of Bush's statements. Bush's has earlier expressed an attitude of understandment towards the Israeli military actions, which appears to have gone by now. Bush's statements may be a result of his need for continued Arab (...) (23 years ago, 6-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The situation is indeed very complicated. So I don't understand why you present views which are, in my opinion, very simplified and black-and-white. Fredrik (23 years ago, 6-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Gosh. 95%? I didn't know it was so high. It seems like the only way you could really disagree with me that much was to have incredibly middle of the road views. I mostly radical stances but in all "directions." Is that how you would (...) (23 years ago, 6-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Until this thread came up, your own postings here were pretty scant. It was quite wonderful. "Thanks for making this a better place! ;)" Chris (23 years ago, 6-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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