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(...) I'm unsure of what the actual goal of this post is, though I like that people are reading Biko. :D Clarification? best LFB (23 years ago, 25-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"The most potent weapon in the hands of the oppressor is the mind of the oppressed." - Stephen Biko, 1946-1977 (23 years ago, 25-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This one is particularly difficult I think. Personally I wouldn't hand out with intolerant bigots and they wouldn't want to hand out with me either. Their friends probably think as they do so they get support for their way of thinking. The (...) (23 years ago, 25-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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This editorial: (URL) the point that it is not just the president that ought to be exhorting Americans to be tolerant, it's all of us. But what can we do. We can call for tolerance on discussion forums. We can tell our Muslim friends we like them as (...) (23 years ago, 25-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"Ashcroft faces congressional worries over proposed law changes" (URL) They OUGHT to be worried. CNN's summary of the proposed law makes it seem innocuous, though, which is worrisome. (23 years ago, 25-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Evidence doesn't support the "action" being pacifistic. But let's step back here. We've been wrangling and you're too stubborn to admit you're wrong about the nuances (you accused me of wriggling, all I did was try to restate things, I stand (...) (23 years ago, 25-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Agreed, agreed... (...) Well I've just come off (or maybe still am in) a huge row with ROSCO about semantics around "pacifist" (I still don't get what point he is trying to make) so maybe this is semantics but I am not sure I understand. Why (...) (23 years ago, 25-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hi Horst, (...) Please replace "attack" with "action". ROSCO (23 years ago, 25-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) <snipped text of news article> Uh-oh. A sign of the Apocalypse: I agree with Larry. =o Seriously, though, I hope the people who answered the poll were just not thinking straight. If not, there are more stupid people in this country than I (...) (23 years ago, 25-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Hello Dan, (...) Having the same roots doesn't make things identical. (...) Not for long, though ... (...) That they are not exactly the government of Israel? Greetings Horst (23 years ago, 24-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Hello Ross, (...) Please, explain what a nonviolent attack is. BTW: I was not talking about Flight 93 when I first posed my question about pacifism ... Greetings Horst (23 years ago, 24-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Hello Larry, (...) <snipped a lot of Larry's answer> (...) I can certainly agree to this statement. My original question was geared more towards the type of action required to - make sure radical islamists are isolated instead of multiplied - (...) (23 years ago, 24-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) :: in the voice of the ugly american :: Demned Fer'ners! Wha' isus, uh freakin' luv-in?! -- Hop-Frog (some frogs have teeth) (23 years ago, 25-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That *is* kind of scary. It should serve as an indication of how fundamental the crisis of such thinking is, that groups from the far-right *and* the far-left are willing to work together with a broad spectrum of groups in between to oppose (...) (23 years ago, 25-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Holy Toledo. I would have expected a peak of maybe 30% for the ID question (still frightening). That poll was done on 14-15 sep, I really hope the percentage has dropped (a lot) in the last week and a bit. Man. That means half the people (...) (23 years ago, 25-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Don't just take my word for it: See the wiretap section of this page: (URL) ACLU and the LP are hardly allies on much of anything these days... except civil liberties). As for your "willing to authorise innocent deaths" red herring, it's your (...) (23 years ago, 25-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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From you know who... The poll results scare the JEEPERS out of me. - start - WASHINGTON, DC -- Americans who want to fight terrorism by mandating Taliban-style "special identification" for Arab-Americans, by allowing police to randomly search (...) (23 years ago, 25-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ahem. If you didn't notice, this is .debate. We'll not be having any of that socialistic "concurrence" crud here! If you can't say something adversarial about someone here, we'll have to pelt you with MegaBloks. [1] ;D (...) "I bring you ... (...) (23 years ago, 25-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The US has sent $124 million to Afghanistan to buy food this year, topping the $114 million last year. The amount of wheat sent there is about 10% of Pakistan's exports. So at least our money went for food? Powell said "Our [UN] aid bypasses (...) (23 years ago, 25-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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i whole heartedly concur! i think i will use your letter as a model for my own. fight war with love! -lenny (...) listen. (...) (23 years ago, 24-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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