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(...) I read that article from the New Yorker -- a really valuable perspective piece I thought. Vollmann does more than describe the Taliban message too, he gives a good background on how they were brought to power by decades of misery in (...) (23 years ago, 19-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Are you saying that the do not want your government to invade the privacy of individuals which they suspect may be terrorists in a manner which is simpler that it is right now, but it is OK for them to improve airport security? In either case, (...) (23 years ago, 19-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) ... and it looks like I was correct. Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 19-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Calling them "evil" proves nothing. It may work for GWB on CNN, but it does nothing for me. (...) Indeed it is not. Neither is it the duty of US to ensure people are enslaved by their government. Or is it? (...) There is nothing to bomb in (...) (23 years ago, 19-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I have to agreed. I detest talk of revenge and retribution. This should be replaced talk of justice. But the problem with that is that is does to attract views to the networks. Scott A (23 years ago, 19-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) More rumour. More speculation. That is just what we need. Scott A (23 years ago, 19-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I don't understand this argument. Everything science proposes is theory (hypothesis, actually). It never goes beyond that. Everything science determines is a tentative explanation, pending better. It is not valid to claim that "evolution is (...) (23 years ago, 19-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well... I heard them. I heard what they were saying BEFORE this. bin Laden's jihad isn't just about Israel being mean to the Palestinians. It's way more than that. Read some of the links posted here, the interviews with him, the link I gave (...) (23 years ago, 19-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Very well put Richard, Lets finally look at the root cause. All this talk of attacking, revenge, terrorism. Can someone please tell me why these people did these horrific acts? What drove them? was it the only option they had to make their (...) (23 years ago, 19-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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What I want to know is, if Osama bin Laden is not involved then why are people carrying his flag and making statements? This to me doesn't make sense. If someone else was involved, surely they'd carry his flag instead?... Anyone else wake up and (...) (23 years ago, 19-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) If that's a backhanded concession of any sort, I'll take it. :) Another good site is www.swordandspirit.com. It's chock full of humor - about as far from cranky as you can yet. (...) I don't see this. Can you cite an example? (...) At this (...) (23 years ago, 19-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm sure that we'll see more civilians die at the hands of fanatics, and I'm sick to the guts at the prospect of a terrorist nuke or deliberately seeded epidemic. I don't know when it will end. I don't think politeness works with insane (...) (23 years ago, 18-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Before people foam about this petition, they ought to go actually read it. It asks for very reasonable things... that we seek to obtain proof of who did it, that we do our utmost not to target civilians, that we not seek revenge on nations (...) (23 years ago, 18-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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This is a very long article but I found it quite worth the read. (URL) far as I am concerned, the Taliban is pretty straightforwardly evil, if only for what it has done to its own people in the name of Islam. That said, it is not the duty of the US (...) (23 years ago, 18-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I want you to identify precisely what that means for me, because it is my guess that if you REALLY examine what it might mean you will see how it is an unachievable goal. And even if it is achievable, I have the funny idea that what you are (...) (23 years ago, 18-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I have to jump in... What do you think pacifism at a time like now is going to get us? All it will get us is more innocent Americans (among others) killed. Do you think these people are just going to stop now? Do you think if we say "Please (...) (23 years ago, 18-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I try to be a pacifist: as Richard says, it's a position that's only really challenging when war looms. The more I think about it the more I am convinced that any military offensive in the Middle East will be a grave mistake, morally as well (...) (23 years ago, 18-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What's worse, "digital devices" means software and hardware. So open source operating systems would be illegal. (23 years ago, 18-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In article <GJuwHM.9ED@lugnet.com>, "Larry Pieniazek" <lpieniazek@mercator.com> wrote: <snip> (...) You also have to consider that the only contact Joe Sixpack has with arab peoples in general is what he sees in movies or on the evening news. J.S. (...) (23 years ago, 18-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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