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(...) All those poor naive people in Great Britain.... :-) Bruce (23 years ago, 17-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And I suppose you think the people committing premeditated crimes own those guns legally? And banning handguns would keep them from owning them? You're not really that naive, are you? (...) No, that's by soccer moms and yuppies. I'd like (...) (23 years ago, 17-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Maybe you can, but don't tell that to those Japanese schoolchildren... -- Tom Stangl ***(URL) Visual FAQ home ***(URL) Bay Area DSMs (23 years ago, 17-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It's considerable harder to conceal a shotgun or rifle. My 12-gauge is considerably better for "home defense" than a handgun, anyway, and for the paranoid, a high-powered rifle is better for sniping at Guv'mint Troopers. Any idiot can point a (...) (23 years ago, 17-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) One would hope not. However, knife-wielding madmen are rare - thankfully! (...) How would you see the reduction happening - education? Or perhaps reducing the type of guns up for sale? Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 17-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Generally, it's considered quite hard to carry a concealed automobile into a public building for the purposes of committing a crime. This is further complicated by the typical size of vehicle that seems to be favoured by the American market. (...) (23 years ago, 17-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I don't know if that's a tenable stance; one could as easily argue that a knife-wielding madman lurks in the bushes, but that doesn't mean we should outlaw knives *or* bushes. The only material difference between a gun and a knife (or a club, (...) (23 years ago, 17-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What you are saying is very true. I was skipping over a whole lot of details (due process, search warrent, etc.) and going directly to the loss of certain rights as a convicted criminal. In jail, certain rights are removed or reduced. (At (...) (23 years ago, 17-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Is this really the best you can do. Which members of the gun owning public stopped your courts dragging away alleged communists during McCarthy’s reign? (...) You are trivialising the debate. Falling pianos no doubt have their victims too. The (...) (23 years ago, 17-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In the spirit of not trying to pick a fight, I'll include my opinion to this topic and hope for the best... Is it true that Hitler managed to remove weapons from the common people in Germany sometime before he went on his mad killing spree? And (...) (23 years ago, 17-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This seems problematic. The minute a crime is committed, presumably they have no idea whodunnit. So who exactly forfeits rights? And which ones? I guess I disagree. Among our rights (which are not forfeited even as a suspect) are due process. (...) (23 years ago, 17-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It could be argued that handgun/gun ownership actually restricts freedoms. I would feel a little oppressed if I knew that behind the twitching curtains in my area lurked a potential gun. Or if during an argument in a bar between two strangers (...) (23 years ago, 17-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I still can (although it is not a "top 4 list"). The fact is that Turkey is an oppressive country which is, as you say, "trying to imitate playing in the first league". I think it is important that everyone knows what sort of place Turkey is (...) (23 years ago, 17-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You are joking, I presume? (...) Yet, if you arm everyone you get less violence? No. What you get is every petty crime or malicious act escalating rapidly into a violent and murderous one. You get negligible non-violent crime rates, and huge (...) (23 years ago, 17-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This even happens on Lugnet: (URL) (...) It is about to become law in New York State. There are plans to do the same in the UK: (URL) (...) Indeed. Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 17-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'd hate to put words in Jason's mouth. But when I read his text I immediately thought about how your constitution has allowed persecution and discrimination on the grounds of political views and race in the last 50 years. I can think of no (...) (23 years ago, 17-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 17-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) <snip> (...) I really don't agree. In a country like mine, you can't go fully democratic since there is no common sense majority that prevent the population from total collapse into some stupid "islamic republic" thing, just like in Iran. In a (...) (23 years ago, 15-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Well, I know your post must have been a joke by the tone you took, but..... Outlaw handguns, and only outlaws will have them. And all that would do is make rifles and shotguns "the firearm of choice in violent crimes and murders" sooner or later. I (...) (23 years ago, 17-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I think the basic idea is having the handguns leaves the likely possibility of being shot with one. Plus, the way our media portrays violence with handguns, it creates a climate where the possibility is even more likely. Getting rid of the handguns (...) (23 years ago, 17-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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