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Is there anyone here who does not believe beyond a shadow of a doubt that men have indeed walked on the moon? I have spent some time in thought on this "conspiracy", and have decided, that I could never convince a skeptic that men have walked on the (...) (23 years ago, 8-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | bloody pictures
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Thank you Dan for providing the PETA link. Although the pictures and information on the site did not serve to change my cravings for beef products, it did serve to offer me a central source of information on the subject of animal cruelty and meat (...) (23 years ago, 8-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | on topic?
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the recent "debate" on animal rights/cruelty is "off-topic". The thread that this debate happens to be in, was originally about sexism in the work place. since someone kindly suggested to another that the "animal" debate should remain "on-topic", I (...) (23 years ago, 8-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | on the search for facts...
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I followed the PETA link that Dan provided. It was the first time I have ever been to the site and found it rather easy to navigate. Out of curiosity I even read an article specifically about animal abuse in rodeo. The article offered about a dozen (...) (23 years ago, 8-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Dog in pool incident
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(...) It happened when I was 16 years old. I was living in Michigan at the time and in the summer I made a trip to visit my family in California. Since my friends helped me get the pool running that summer, my mother agreed to let them swim there (...) (23 years ago, 8-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Lobster Bisque (was: Did animals have rights before we invented rights?)
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(...) I understand the motivation too, I think (who can be *sure* they understand the motivation of others?). But I cannot condone force initiation. We must exhaust the rule of law first before we get that extreme. I share your concern about farming (...) (23 years ago, 8-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Lobster Bisque (was: Did animals have rights before we invented rights?)
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(...) How do you mean 'only' Frank? I mean, you could just type an email to your senator and figure that you've done your part. That would be an alternative action. But it wouldn't do anything. You could picket in front of the place. That would be (...) (23 years ago, 8-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Lobster Bisque (was: Did animals have rights before we invented rights?)
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(...) I was trying to figure out how to say that, but I got hung up on how to actually do what you're suggesting Dan do. What about it? How would Dan, or I, substantiate claims of gross cruelty through negligence and intent? (...) Agreed. But do (...) (23 years ago, 8-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Lobster Bisque (was: Did animals have rights before we invented rights?)
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(...) I think there's a real difference between burning down a supposedly empty building (the reports I've read weren't "empty" buildings, and destroyed not just the potentially abusive research, but also research which did not use animals) and (...) (23 years ago, 8-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Lobster Bisque (was: Did animals have rights before we invented rights?)
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(...) I would assert that if you wish any success in encouraging people to change their views on the way animals are treated in this country that the onus is upon you to substantiate your claims. If the rest of us think that things are basically OK, (...) (23 years ago, 8-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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