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(...) The market will *not* provide that... read the text I quoted. Consumers are too focussed on the low price of oil and the Big Macs. (...) As the text I quoted states, the market can not be trusted to look after the environment. Are you really (...) (23 years ago, 18-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Add Turkey to this list. Once we had a female prime minister. Was it different? Hell no!.. Same level of corruption, if not more. Maybe the subject of a much more interesting discussion is: What would the world be like if real human beings (...) (23 years ago, 18-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) quoted this passage instead. "True, economists generally believe that a system of free markets is a pretty efficient way to run an economy, as long as the prices are right--as long, in particular, as people pay the true social cost of their (...) (23 years ago, 17-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ahhhh, things would be so much better! I mean, no war! Just look at Golda Meir...oops! Ummmm, ahhhh, that peaceful country of India, with Indira Gandhi....oh, drat, more war. Okay, that bastion of civility, England, and Margaret Thatcher (or (...) (23 years ago, 17-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Better, worse? Who can say. Same! No way!!! Vive La Difference`! ++Lar (23 years ago, 17-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Watch it. I don't want another dull evolution debate to start again. After I typed by above text this morning, I found this interesting item by Paul Krugman. It is a little dated now, but it is still very relavant to this debate. Two key (...) (23 years ago, 17-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) SUVs! Hopefully, we are once again going to see evolution-in-action on them with high gas prices. :-) Bruce (23 years ago, 17-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The closest we have come to a free market in modern times was Hong Kong before it was handed back to China. (...) Wrong. You have the cheapest pump prices. In environmental terms, what is the cost of cheap oil? Effectively, cheap oil means we (...) (23 years ago, 17-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I understand what you are saying. But the 19th century was not all that much better... it was just less organised. Remember, back then we had free market gems such as child labour and slavery. Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 17-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Greetings! After an interesting discussion with my wife the other day, I thought I'd pose this question to this group. What would the world be like if women (that is women who did not behave like men) were the major leaders (presidents, prime (...) (23 years ago, 17-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Arrgh. I didn't delete my edits. (...) No, it wasn't "free" in the sense that it was a market in which entrepreneurs enjoyed the ability to pursue wealth without the debilitating presence of official corruption inherent to the system, but (...) (23 years ago, 16-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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You might have hit send before you finished. But I think I see where you were going so I will reply. (...) I think we have to define what a free market is and establish if, indeed your example is an example of a free market or not, before using it (...) (23 years ago, 16-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hmm. I'm not sure that migratory species (or non-migratory) could have owners, even in a Libertarian ideal; at least, not until we have a much better understanding of ecosystem interaction. It opens up many difficult questions, among the (...) (23 years ago, 16-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) A problem that I have with allowing "market morals" to uphold standards is that one only has to look at what unregulated industry has wrought at every opportunity that its been given. IMO, free market (im)morals produce the kinds of (...) (23 years ago, 16-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I do not view it as a "our needs" versus "theirs". Humanity & the environment are one. We need to stop viewing "the environment" as a luxury which is great when it is affordable. It should be viewed as a necessity. Further, I have to question (...) (23 years ago, 16-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I don't know if I'm a usual suspect, but I'll share a few brief thoughts: (...) I think that the most reasonable approach that humanity can take when considering environmental impacts is to work hard and sensibly to maintain an equilibrium...a (...) (23 years ago, 16-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I did do some reading and share your concern. The projected number of birds killed annually by this is quite high. But birds do die, they died before towers were first built. In the overall scheme of things, then, will this lead to a (...) (23 years ago, 15-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'll have to respectively disagree. There is the 'famous' case of the Altamont Pass windfarm in your lovely state. Altamont Pass has the highest concentration of nesting pairs of Golden Eagle's anywhere in the world. Golden Eagles are (...) (23 years ago, 15-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No, and that is not what I did. (...) I think I did. I _still_ think you are wrong. I do not feel that Israel "administers justice fairly" or respects the "rule of law". Eric Olsen agreed with me on this: (URL) chose to muddy the waters with (...) (23 years ago, 15-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) So it's OK for you to quote out of context, then? (...) out of context, I would have chosen this one... (...) Since you never effectively answered it. (although you did post, what, 4 responses to it?... Why so many? Couldn't compose your (...) (23 years ago, 14-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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