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  Re: Rolling Blackouts
 
(...) Arrgh. I didn't delete my edits. (...) No, it wasn't "free" in the sense that it was a market in which entrepreneurs enjoyed the ability to pursue wealth without the debilitating presence of official corruption inherent to the system, but (...) (23 years ago, 16-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Rolling Blackouts
 
You might have hit send before you finished. But I think I see where you were going so I will reply. (...) I think we have to define what a free market is and establish if, indeed your example is an example of a free market or not, before using it (...) (23 years ago, 16-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Rolling Blackouts
 
(...) Hmm. I'm not sure that migratory species (or non-migratory) could have owners, even in a Libertarian ideal; at least, not until we have a much better understanding of ecosystem interaction. It opens up many difficult questions, among the (...) (23 years ago, 16-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Rolling Blackouts
 
(...) A problem that I have with allowing "market morals" to uphold standards is that one only has to look at what unregulated industry has wrought at every opportunity that its been given. IMO, free market (im)morals produce the kinds of (...) (23 years ago, 16-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Rolling Blackouts
 
(...) I do not view it as a "our needs" versus "theirs". Humanity & the environment are one. We need to stop viewing "the environment" as a luxury which is great when it is affordable. It should be viewed as a necessity. Further, I have to question (...) (23 years ago, 16-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Rolling Blackouts
 
(...) I don't know if I'm a usual suspect, but I'll share a few brief thoughts: (...) I think that the most reasonable approach that humanity can take when considering environmental impacts is to work hard and sensibly to maintain an equilibrium...a (...) (23 years ago, 16-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Rolling Blackouts
 
(...) I did do some reading and share your concern. The projected number of birds killed annually by this is quite high. But birds do die, they died before towers were first built. In the overall scheme of things, then, will this lead to a (...) (23 years ago, 15-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Rolling Blackouts
 
(...) I'll have to respectively disagree. There is the 'famous' case of the Altamont Pass windfarm in your lovely state. Altamont Pass has the highest concentration of nesting pairs of Golden Eagle's anywhere in the world. Golden Eagles are (...) (23 years ago, 15-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Why the founding fathers limited government scope (was Re: Rolling Blackouts
 
(...) No, and that is not what I did. (...) I think I did. I _still_ think you are wrong. I do not feel that Israel "administers justice fairly" or respects the "rule of law". Eric Olsen agreed with me on this: (URL) chose to muddy the waters with (...) (23 years ago, 15-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Why the founding fathers limited government scope (was Re: Rolling Blackouts
 
(...) So it's OK for you to quote out of context, then? (...) out of context, I would have chosen this one... (...) Since you never effectively answered it. (although you did post, what, 4 responses to it?... Why so many? Couldn't compose your (...) (23 years ago, 14-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Why the founding fathers limited government scope (was Re: Rolling Blackouts
 
(...) I was being rather sarcastic. Nobody is really wrong - we all have our opinions. Scott A (23 years ago, 14-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Why the founding fathers limited government scope (was Re: Rolling Blackouts
 
(...) Dan (23 years ago, 14-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Percents, Per Se
 
(...) That's fabulous! I read an article back in '92 that proclaimed we'd already discovered 90% of the world's oil. Dave! (23 years ago, 14-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.fun)
 
  Re: Why the founding fathers limited government scope (was Re: Rolling Blackouts
 
(...) Did I say that - No. Do I want that - No. (...) I am very real. Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 14-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Why the founding fathers limited government scope (was Re: Rolling Blackouts
 
(...) I shall have to read the book 1st. Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 14-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Why the founding fathers limited government scope (was Re: Rolling Blackouts
 
(...) How wrong you are: "Israel has gotten, and continues to get, a raw deal in the world media, I have no idea why." (URL) A (...) (23 years ago, 14-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Why the founding fathers limited government scope (was Re: Rolling Blackouts
 
(...) Well, then Scott's right; it *did* involve the use of force to conquer an area. Dave! (23 years ago, 14-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Why the founding fathers limited government scope (was Re: Rolling Blackouts
 
(...) Our society tends to be quite liberal with the use of percentage figures to back up a supposed presupposition or argument. Did anyone see that Nova episode about meteors? "We don't know how many [large] meteors there are in the solar system, (...) (23 years ago, 14-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Why the founding fathers limited government scope (was Re: Rolling Blackouts
 
(...) So anytime I quote you, I must quote every utterance to ever come from your lips? Get real. (...) guys. (...) I would be in favor that arrangement under certain circumstances. It does seem a bit too close to profiteering on death for normal (...) (23 years ago, 14-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Why the founding fathers limited government scope (was Re: Rolling Blackouts
 
(...) I guess maybe a few hundred people would probably claim that it did involve the use of force to conquor the area. But the other six billion, when presented with the facts would not. Mike Oliver went to an unused atoll and used dredging (...) (23 years ago, 14-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)


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