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Re: No gimmicks, just some free background images
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Fri, 18 Feb 2000 02:09:17 GMT
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In lugnet.market.theory, Allan Bedford writes:
> 
> Todd Lehman <lehman@javanet.com> wrote in article
> <Fq3o8y.6nK@lugnet.com>...
> > In lugnet.market.theory, Allan Bedford writes:
> > > > For example, if it was just about anyone other than Larry (or maybe a • few
> > > > others) who had posted what Larry did, then it certainly may have • raised
> > > > a few eyebrows.  How do we explain to newbies, for example, that what
> > > > Larry did was an extremely delicate gray-area case, probably not • something
> > > > to be followed by example?
> > > 
> > > Why is it that if someone else had done this it would likely have been • more
> > > controversial?
> > 
> > I think it's because people who know Larry (and that's a lot of people) • know
> > that he wouldn't do something questionable on purpose[1] (or probably • even
> > accidentally, because he "doesn't make misteaks").
> 
> I'm glad you used that last little quote.  It highlights my point exactly.
> I've been reading LUGNET for well over a year.  I read probably 30 - 40
> different messages a day, both via NNTP and the web interface.  I read
> messages from all sorts of people, in all sorts of groups.  But I have
> absolutely no idea what this 'misteaks' thing is, or how it relates to
> Larry and his posting abilites/priviledges.

I can answer this much - when Larry makes a mistake (which, people say, he
never does), he answers by saying "I never make misteaks." Or someone else
says it for him - because this is 'his' line, his little pun, a trademark of a
sort. (CMIIW)

> You see, for all the postings
> I've read, and many by Larry, I've yet to discover what it is that makes
> Larry any different than any other person on LUGNET. I've been here since
> 1998 and I still feel like a newbie.
> I understand that many people revere
> him but I do not know the history behind it.  No offense Larry, but I
> thought you were just another person interested in LEGO like the rest of
> us.  :)

That I don't know. I've been lurking since '98 and involved since '99, I don't
know *what* makes him special... I just know he is very respected in the lego
community. Perhaps he was here long before everyone... I have no idea. But
people trust him, his name walks far before him.

> So my question is, how can even newer newbies grasp what's going on, and
> understand not to follow Larry's example?

That's the problem - that's why Todd found this post not OK.

> 
> > So it's not that it's OK simply because it was Larry and everything Larry
> > does is automatically OK, it's the other way around:  because it was • Larry,
> > there's a much higher probability that it was OK.  Now, whether or not it
> > actually *was* OK (that's open to debate) is a separate issue.  But • because
> > it was Larry, and people trust Larry, it's got much less of a chance of • being
> > controversial.  That's my take on it, anyway.
> 
> Ummm..... you lost me at the third OK.  Todd, were you a math teacher in
> another lifetime?  :)

The third meant, simply, that because Larry is respected, people don't see a
point of arguing. Maybe they think they'll lose anyway, because 'Larry doesn't
make misteaks', or maybe they just think, 'Well, Larry does OK things, so it's
probably OK.'

> 
> > > In other words... Todd, you hint in your response that what Larry did • was
> > > *somewhat* incorrect, but because it's Larry it's really not as bad.
> > 
> > Well, not quite...  It's not 'less bad' if Larry does Xyz than if someone
> > else does Xyz.  Xyz (if Xyz is bad) is equally bad no matter who does it.
> > 
> > But if Larry happens to be the first person to do Xyz (as opposed to some
> > other randomly chosen person) then there's a higher chance that Xyz is OK
> > than bad, because statistically, Larry's behavior is very very far from
> > bad.  That's why I think no one (except me) jumped on him for it.
> 
> See above comment about math teacher.  :)

He means that people won't think it's wrong, because they are used to seeing
Larry right. 'Larry is usually right, he's probably right now' sort of thought.

> 
> > > But you don't tell us why. If Larry is to be held in such high regard,
> > > should he not try to lead by example?
> > 
> > Well, that's part of the reason I thought it was worth jumping on.
> 
> O.K. this I understood.
> 
> > > Instead it becomes, "Do as I say, not as I do."  And for newbies like • me
> > > who don't know why Larry can do something we can't, it becomes terribly
> > > confusing.
> > 
> > That's the heart of the issue (in my mind) -- newbies seeing what Larry • did
> > and thinking it was OK.  In my mind, what Larry did was _not_ OK (even if
> > well-intentioned), but his post was *so* borderline that I think I'm the • only
> > one who sees is that way.
> 
> Well... I saw the questionability of it, but originally choose not to get
> involved, because I'm not normally interested in participating in this sort
> of thing on LUGNET, or Usenet in general for that matter. (ironically, here
> I am, getting involved)


...happens in the best families ;)

> > > [...]
> > > Again, how is a newbie to know that Larry *may* or *may not* have been • at
> > > or near a grey area?
> > 
> > Exactly.
> 
> So should there be a Larry P. FAQ for newbies to read, to better understand
> Larry's history within the LEGO/LUGNET/RTL community?  I say this only half
> tongue-in-cheek.  I wonder if sometimes these problems occur because
> someone who doesn't understand another person's background or history jumps
> on them or their postings when it isn't always appropriate?

It might cause problems, I agree. Maybe Larry should add another note to his
sig:
"Note: This is a family forum.
Note: I am a respectable member of the AFOL community. I never make misteaks."

(just kidding)

I honestly don't know. Putting a Larry FAQ would seem kinda silly, though.

HTH,
Shiri

FUT .debate



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Shiri wrote in message ... (...) his (...) misteaks." Now there's an idea! Of course that won't help those not in the know any... Frank who may be a respectable member of the AFOL community who does make the occasional misteak (27 years ago, 18-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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Todd Lehman <lehman@javanet.com> wrote in article <Fq3o8y.6nK@lugnet.com>... (...) few (...) raised (...) something (...) more (...) know (...) even (...) I'm glad you used that last little quote. It highlights my point exactly. I've been reading (...) (27 years ago, 18-Feb-00, to lugnet.market.theory, lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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