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Re: I miss the old LUGNET...
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Nick, and all, I too see this and wish it could be better, of course we all
know that with thousands of members and dozens of threads, indeed it's
difficult to keep up. But at the same time I think we could do better.
We almost need a post outlining good post ediquet. I was disapointed many
times when I made posts. I never wanted to complain because hey, you get
what you get and be happy with it, and frankly I did'nt want to come off as
whineing.
Truth is there are some people who reply to threads and just spout off
opinions, I spend alot of my time perfecting MOC's and I get only a few
cherished replies, then I look around and everybody is jumping into debate
and opinion posts rather than giving to a post where someone actually made
something and is eager to hear from people about his or her efforts.
That really bugs me, I spend $5000 on a Robot and I get 3 replies.
I will always build for myself and always have, I don't need a pat on the
back, but then again it is nice right?
Example:
The Lego company did a story about me and a few others in the Build section.
These are the only cherished replies:
http://news.lugnet.com/people/?n=2427
Now you gotta figure that for a Lugnet Member and a Lego nut in general to
make onto the official Lego web-site is like the ultimate acheivement and
yet I felt so un-noticed by my fellow Lugnet'ers. Again, I don't need
anyones approval but it is nice when I get replies.
This post got no replies whatso ever:
http://news.lugnet.com/robotics/?n=16280
Is this subject matter over everyones heads or is nobody interested?
Either way for me to respond to my own post asking why nobody replied is bad
form.
I wish people did the following:
1. When a person makes a post about a MOC give some feedback!
2. If the MOC isn't your favorite building style, still respond! give credit
to the way Lego was used in the creation, don't let the theme or style
dictate your responce, fact is it's Lego and that's all that should matter
and not that it's a Mech or a Train or Castle...if the way the parts were
used are a clever technique then jump in and say somthing if you like it!
3. When you make a post about a MOC and someone replies to the post you
oughta reply with a thank you! If you take a look in .Mecha almost all of us
have a double line going straight down the thread: reply to the original
post and a thank you for the reply in return. Think of it like if you were
standing right in front of someone and you said hey! good job and they look
right at you and say nothing.
4. When you reply to a MOC take a sentence or two to talk about what and how
the parts are used, a simple "hey that's cool" is nice, but we all know that
the beauty lies within the system and perhaps we should look a little more
at the process and encourage the way in which we build and not so much
merely that we build in general.
5. One thing that always bugs me is that when someone makes a MOC and
another person jumps in to excersise their opinion about some point in the
thread that has nothing to do with the MOC or evan aknowlegding the original
message.
Sorry but as much as I like Larry P. he was guilty of that here:
http://news.lugnet.com/admin/terms/?n=332
(sorry Larry but I gotta call you on this)
I got now aknowledgement just an intrusion into my thread without praise to
the original reason the whole post was made in the first place.
Also, I was really upset by this as well:
http://news.lugnet.com/build/mecha/?n=3456
I posted this to .michlug because I like and respect the group and admire
their club, I happen to think there are alot of good builders out there and
that's why I cross posted the story, I don't abuse the crosspost rule and I
felt really shocked that I got dissed like that. That story was so important
to me and it mattered to me a great deal. The real underlying meaning of the
story was lost and that's a shame. Well at least to Amy it was.
Hey Amy why'd you dis me! I was giving your lug group props!
7. I don't know this for sure but it seems like certain groups don't post
outside their own forums, it seems like if the post isn't in thier group it
doesn't matter to them. Of course there is the issue of the quantity of
threads and it being difficult to reply to them all, however, I still see
close nit groups with no care for others outside of their own forums.
8. Having a "contest" between groups to see how many posts that group is up
on another is silly, of course group pride runs strong and that's cool, but
again different groups can come off as exclusionary when they don't seem to
pay attention to the groups around it. (ahh this point is kinda
flakey...nevermind)
Well, there is my take on Ediquet and posting. I wish we all could talk more
and I know we all have different priorities.
Just remember the person that works hard loves a little praise.
and reply to the compliments with a thank you.
Keep in mind that just because we don't phyically see each other we all
still deserve a little courtesy.
In closing I'm releived that you broached this subject, it's difficult to
point out short commings without seeming like we are complaining, truth is
we are just striving to become better.
Sincerly,
Eric
www.mylegomaster.com
Waaa Waaaa check out my new web site and PLMKWYT!!!!!
http://news.lugnet.com/announce/?n=1336
:-)
In lugnet.general, Nick Crocco writes:
> Yes, I miss the old LUGNET.
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> I miss people actually replying to a post. Two+ years ago, when I first
> found out about Lugnet, every post I made was replied to numerous times by
> friendly people just making small talk, telling me how much they enjoy my
> creations, or even constructive criticism. Now, it seems that the only
> extraordinary posts get recognition. I spent a long time writing and
> creating objects that the fellow community would enjoy, and nobody would
> reply. Not even a quick nice job. The reason I post here in the first place
> was to hear the constructive criticism and comments. But without that,
> what's the reason?
>
> I miss the old layout. In my opinion (yes, I know a lot of people will
> disagree) I loved the old layout. The news was the main attraction of
> Lugnet, so that was the main page. Now, with the different main page, it
> seems like Lugnet has lost it's focus. I don't really like the idea of how
> the most 'popular' links are shown on the left of the page. Every topic is
> equally important, plus, half the fun of Lugnet is exploring around and
> finding the interesting topics. Besides, heated topics/info is usually in
> the newly written box often, making it easier to find.
>
> I miss the old "Cool Lego Site of the Week." Remember when winning the Cool
> Lego Site of the Week was something special? I do. Now it seems like
> everybody and their room-mates have won one. There are only so many Lego
> sites (yes, there are a lot, but only so many) and giving out and award a
> week, everyone will eventually have one. Many Cool Lego Site of the Month?
>
> I miss the old posting procedure. I don't like the whole "Lugnet Member"
> thing. Personally, I don't have a means to pay for a membership. I barely
> have enough money between college and necessities to live off of. I also
> dislike the new "e-mail confirmation" thing. You know how many people would
> have written a small "that's really awesome" comment on a message, but don't
> because of the extra step. I know the reason for the implementation of the
> e-mail confirmation, but why should members have it better than everyone
> else? Yes Lugnet needs money to keep up, but how about another means? Link
> banners anyone?
>
> I miss Todd. Yes, Suz is doing an EXCELLENT job, but I still miss Todd. I
> remember how he used to help me with my html for my site, giving my pointers
> and so forth. Yes he's still around (hi Todd if yur reading this), but it's
> not the same.
>
> I miss the old Lugnet. Yes, I know things change and people change, but not
> even Lugnet can stay the same. I know a lot of people will disagree with me
> on a number of issues, but this is my own personal opinion, which I am free
> to express. Sorry guys, It's something that I just had to say...
>
> ~Nick
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Message has 5 Replies:
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| For what its worth Eric, I was always a fan and never posted because I considered myself out of your league. And Nick, I popped on to the internet scene about the same time and was very impressed by S.W.A.T. and still am. But, I agree with both of (...) (23 years ago, 2-Nov-01, to lugnet.general)
| | | Re: I miss the old LUGNET...
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| (...) Perhaps whoever the curator for lugnet.newbie is could go through some of the posts there and put together a faq on the topic. General netiquette is a starting point but Things Are Different Here(tm), at least a little bit. (...) I don't think (...) (23 years ago, 2-Nov-01, to lugnet.general, lugnet.admin.terms)
| | | Re: I miss the old LUGNET...
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| In lugnet.general, Eric Sophie writes: <snip> (...) <snip> I agree that this would help us all out as a community of builders. In previous years (1), whenever a new LEGO catalog came out people would start a gigantic thread pointing out this or that (...) (23 years ago, 2-Nov-01, to lugnet.general)
| | | Re: I miss the old LUGNET...
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| I agree with everything said here Eric, (...) Truth be told, I only saw this recently, a few weeks ago, I meant to pass on my congrats through e-mail but forgot completely, sorry. :-( (...) Amen! when I was just getting started with showing off my (...) (23 years ago, 3-Nov-01, to lugnet.general, lugnet.build.mecha, lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | I miss the old LUGNET...
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| Yes, I miss the old LUGNET. I miss people actually replying to a post. Two+ years ago, when I first found out about Lugnet, every post I made was replied to numerous times by friendly people just making small talk, telling me how much they enjoy my (...) (23 years ago, 30-Oct-01, to lugnet.general) !!
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