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"Tedward" <tgodwin@victoriaSPA...OCK.tc.ca> wrote in message news:JLHGzI.o6C@lugnet.com... (...) That Brickshelf is unique, needed and valuable, but it costs money to run. Hopefully, we learned something about of the how valuable Brickshelf is to (...) (19 years ago, 21-Jul-07, to lugnet.general)
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I didn't sign up for the "Pro" acount, but my impression of Flickr is that it sucks. "Joel Midgley" <joelmidgley@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:JLHA83.26w@lugnet.com... (...) (19 years ago, 21-Jul-07, to lugnet.general)
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(...) I'll thank you to leave my winky out of this, you fiend. Dave! (19 years ago, 21-Jul-07, to lugnet.general, FTX)
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Kevin Thank you sincerely for your statement! I translated yours into Japanese, and talk to J-FOL. Also in Japan, many LEGO friends had been worried about BS-files, ideal "Brickshelf", and you, Kevin. I'm glad to hear your decision. No mods? No (...) (19 years ago, 21-Jul-07, to lugnet.general)
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(...) What will happen on leap year with the extra day? John P (19 years ago, 21-Jul-07, to lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) Always look on the bright side of life, whistle, whistle, whistle, whistle, whistle. JOHN (19 years ago, 20-Jul-07, to lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) Who said I'm not? (...) You didn't ask my opinion of the fee. You should wear red pants. (...) I think the word I'd use there in place of 'brilliant' is 'cunning'. (19 years ago, 20-Jul-07, to lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) Not to ride on your back (well ; ) I also emailed to offer to buy out BS. I think there is probably a group/at least a few individuals who would be interested in restructuring BS for the long term if you don't want the burden Kevin! God Bless, (...) (19 years ago, 20-Jul-07, to lugnet.general)
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(...) Well said, Mike. JOHN (19 years ago, 20-Jul-07, to lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) So, in fact, you do expect to get things for free. (...) No, to be consistent with your "I don't expect to get things for free" statement. JOHN (19 years ago, 20-Jul-07, to lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) Ahh. Point taken. The blurry crap pics on BS frustrate me to no end. I know everyone can't be a professional photographer, but c'mon...let's at least get the subject in focus. :-) I like the idea of cropping. I've been doing that with more and (...) (19 years ago, 20-Jul-07, to lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) Why haven't I contributed to Brickshelf? The owner has threatened to shut it down several times (this last time without any notice), does not respond to emails or posts, and can shut it down again at any time without consulting anyone. It just (...) (19 years ago, 20-Jul-07, to lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) Maybe things could have been handled differently, and it's hard not to have similar concerns, but speaking personally, Brickshelf has been a big part of my online life for a long time. Once I feel like I've made even a dent in paying back for (...) (19 years ago, 20-Jul-07, to lugnet.general, FTX)
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In lugnet.general, Dave Sterling wrote (...) I can't speak for Tim, but for myself: Pictures on the net should be no smaller than 500 pixels high, 600 is good, 700 is pushing it. I base this off of how large the photo is on my screen. I prefer to (...) (19 years ago, 20-Jul-07, to lugnet.general, FTX)
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Kevin, Thank you, first and foremost. BrickShelf is a key part of the community. I apologize for my part in the download spike from FBTB users. Is grabbing one folder download per week excessive? I would accept file/picture size limits. I would not (...) (19 years ago, 20-Jul-07, to lugnet.general)
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(...) You get this error when the folder is not moderated yet. Hope this helps. Saso (beta tester for BsBackup and one who has lots of experience with it (and the one who suggested it long time ago)). P.S. Bob, thanks for these new versions after a (...) (19 years ago, 20-Jul-07, to lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) Okay, you're right. I just got a little perturbed. JOHN (19 years ago, 20-Jul-07, to lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) Is this helping or hurting? Jude (19 years ago, 20-Jul-07, to lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) I'm willing to give $60 to help keep Brickshelf going, not only do I enjoy using it to host my images, I think of all the LUGNET post with links to Brickshelf that I reference constantly while building my MOCs. The idea of such valuable (...) (19 years ago, 20-Jul-07, to lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) Well, that winky says that that wisenheimer already did. JOHN (19 years ago, 20-Jul-07, to lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) I have faith in Brickshelf; enough to pay $60/year. So at least now you know about one AFOL.... (...) Really? Looks to me like you never ever bothered to contribute to Brickshelf. Why not? Maybe because it was free? (...) (URL) Flickr Pro (...) (19 years ago, 20-Jul-07, to lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) Kevin, While I've forgotten my password (and thus, don't upload to my account), I do not have a problem paying a bit to keep brickshelf up and running. I don't use it extensively, but I think it's worth some money to keep it going. Scott (...) (19 years ago, 20-Jul-07, to lugnet.general)
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(...) I'll be perfectly content on 16.5 cents per day ;) (do the math...) (19 years ago, 20-Jul-07, to lugnet.general, FTX)
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In lugnet.announce.brickshelf, Kevin Loch wrote: ...snipped...> (...) ...snipped... Kevin, I will renew my offer to purchase Brickshelf from you again, this time publicly. I'm concerned my initial offer may have been lost in the flood of email I'm (...) (19 years ago, 20-Jul-07, to lugnet.general) !!
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(...) What if it were about half of $0.30 per day? Would that then make you happy, Dave!? JOHN (19 years ago, 20-Jul-07, to lugnet.general, FTX)
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Thanks for coming up, and for not shutting down our LEGO® image bank. I wish you and BS the best. Julián. (19 years ago, 20-Jul-07, to lugnet.general)
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(...) (snip) Awesome. Thanks Kevin for all your efforts! I can barely imagine how much work or how much of a strain on resources running a site that big might be. But you can count me in along with those who have emailed you as one who will put his (...) (19 years ago, 20-Jul-07, to lugnet.general)
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(...) $5.00 is outrageous. No way can I see spending any more than $0.25 or $0.30 per day. ;) Dave! (19 years ago, 20-Jul-07, to lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) I agree with JT. I am ready to pay my share. Five bucks a month seems like peanuts for a service so useful. I have never been a big user of Brickshelf, but I have used it for years without contributing one nickel. Just the idea of not having (...) (19 years ago, 20-Jul-07, to lugnet.general)
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(...) What point was that? That a single individual can control so much of the online LEGO world? That as the sole owner and operator of a web service of huge importance to the AFOL community he has neither tact nor the ability to communicate? That (...) (19 years ago, 20-Jul-07, to lugnet.general, FTX) !
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(...) Hi, all-- Elsewhere on LUGnet, Kevin explains a lot. This is not going to be a moneymaker for him; rather, it will help to defray the costs of what has gotten to be a very expensive proposition. Here's a quick math lesson: right now, let's say (...) (19 years ago, 20-Jul-07, to lugnet.general, FTX)
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Hey Kevin, First up, thank you so much for Brickshelf, both for the last decade and for it's continuance. I don't know if you hear enough how great a resource this is for the whole community. I'm really sorry if the massive downloads over the past (...) (19 years ago, 20-Jul-07, to lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) Kevin: I don't know about other AFOLs, but right now I have very little trust in Brickshelf's continued viability, and certainly not enough to give you $60 a year. I don't expect to get things for free - I just spent $25 to upgrade to a (URL) (...) (19 years ago, 20-Jul-07, to lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) Understood. But if you are not a brickshelf user, then me asking you your opinion about the $5/month is like me asking you what color pants I should wear tomorrow. (...) How do I know? It never hurts to ask. (...) Kevin made the point that (...) (19 years ago, 20-Jul-07, to lugnet.general, FTX)
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Hi Kevin You certainly got your message through! As I've said (URL) elsewhere>, I'm not personally one of those people that clog up your badwidth, because I have way too little time surfing for lego, and because I upload most of my pictures to my (...) (19 years ago, 20-Jul-07, to lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) You always were a man of great faith. (19 years ago, 20-Jul-07, to lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) Whether or not I care that brickshelf is around or not has absolutely no bearing on whether it will actually be around or not. (...) LOL. Do you seriously think I should? (...) I'm not joining any campaigns. Just waiting for all the facts (...) (19 years ago, 20-Jul-07, to lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) Tim: What is considered a valid file size/resolution for BS pics? I've always kinda wondered what I should resize to for BS. I usually upload at 1024x768, but sometimes 1600x1200 if I really want people to see fine detail. Is this too big? I (...) (19 years ago, 20-Jul-07, to lugnet.general, FTX)
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Kevin, it's really good to hear from you, but please don't shock us like that again. Some thoughts and suggestions: Remember you don't have to shoulder all the burden of running Brickshelf yourself - if it's becoming difficult then send out a call (...) (19 years ago, 20-Jul-07, to lugnet.general)
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(...) Perhaps the file size restriction could be on non-paying accounts, kind of "you get what you pay for" mentality. The value added feature for paying users could be a Flickr-like "view all sizes" option so pix could be seen at a higher (...) (19 years ago, 20-Jul-07, to lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) I think people are somewhat more open to paying for Internet content than they used to be. While it's easy to shrug off requests for donations, $5/month is pretty nominal. (...) Will paying users be able to customize their accounts? I posted a (...) (19 years ago, 20-Jul-07, to lugnet.general)
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What does this mean? "Allister McLaren" <allistermclaren@opt...et.com.au> wrote in message news:JLGLzv.G44@lugnet.com... (...) (19 years ago, 20-Jul-07, to lugnet.general)
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(...) Tim, I have to disagree with a blanket restriction regarding filesize restrictions for images. While a 256K limit is fine for single MOCs (like your dazzling creations), it can be inadequate for other things like train displays and larger MOCs (...) (19 years ago, 20-Jul-07, to lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) Assuming you care whether brickshelf is around or not, do you have another solution that Kevin can take under consideration? Now's your chance. (19 years ago, 20-Jul-07, to lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) I guess my greatest concern is that not enough members actually pony up the cash. We could easily end up back at square one six months from now. Brickshelf has accepted donations in the past with limited success. What's to say that this (...) (19 years ago, 20-Jul-07, to lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) I think cutting off free access would be kinda harsh. But I could definitely see restricted access -- limited resolution on files, etc. Steve (19 years ago, 20-Jul-07, to lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) I'm kind of worried about that myself. If generating revenue was a problem, I'm not sure how this will help given that users can still opt for a free, non-premium account. If the freeloading userbase was the problem, why not implement a (...) (19 years ago, 20-Jul-07, to lugnet.general, FTX)
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Kevin, Our LUG (The Hungarian LUG) was still in the process of collecting signatures for a Thank You note we wanted to send to zou to express our appreciation for running BrickShelf. This is how we worded it: "Dear Kevin, Thank You for running (...) (19 years ago, 20-Jul-07, to lugnet.general)
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Cool beans Kevin! I while I enjoy things for free I also don't mind paying my share to keep resources like Brickshelf up and running. jt (19 years ago, 20-Jul-07, to lugnet.general)
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Thanks for posting and your concern! God Bless, Nathan (19 years ago, 20-Jul-07, to lugnet.general)
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(...) I can't help but wonder what the reaction to $5/month "featured" accounts would have been had it been made a week ago. We may have all learned something of the value of Brickshelf to the community over the last six days. Cheers Richie Dulin (19 years ago, 20-Jul-07, to lugnet.general)
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(...) I think the value of the continued existence of Brickshelf is pretty high. Sure, there are cheaper options. There always will be. But there will never be another Brickshelf. So by all means hang on to your money, Al. I happen to think that (...) (19 years ago, 20-Jul-07, to lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) I tend to agree with Tim. Limit free users to X amount of space. Disallow .bmp files. Maybe add some new functionalities for featured account holders. I'll be one of them. JOHN (19 years ago, 20-Jul-07, to lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) Good for you. I hope you get your money's worth. Pardon me for holding on to my money until I see what these 'advanced features' actually are, and how they compare to the other, significantly cheaper, options. (...) LMAO. If you think the (...) (19 years ago, 20-Jul-07, to lugnet.general)
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(...) $5 a month is pretty nominal for a resource that has a virtually endless supply of ideas and creativity. I will certainly be getting a featured account and I hope the option is there to pay for a year or more in advance. ALSO, Im sorry if Im (...) (19 years ago, 20-Jul-07, to lugnet.general)
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D'oh I forgot jonathan lopes I have exactly 2 brickshelf bookmarks. now I can make more. (19 years ago, 20-Jul-07, to lugnet.general)
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(...) $5/month? LOL. Good luck with that. (19 years ago, 20-Jul-07, to lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) I've been busy and pretty much unable to post for most of the BS 'drama' but would like to chime in now. Firstly I'd like to extend my thanks to Kevin for providing this service for so long. It has been one of the 'constants' in the AFOL (...) (19 years ago, 20-Jul-07, to lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) That's a shame...Now I need to find something else to do this weekend instead of downloading all those folders I wanted :D Benjamin Whytcross (19 years ago, 20-Jul-07, to lugnet.general)
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(...) Hurray! & welcome! I wonder if image size restrictions & cropping would help Brickshelf be more viable. I've noticed as have others, HUGE image sizes, or loads of needless background with a small MOC centered. Also in the last few weeks I (...) (19 years ago, 20-Jul-07, to lugnet.general)
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(...) Welcome to LUGNET and to the AFOL community, Rob. You must be good luck;-) JOHN (19 years ago, 20-Jul-07, to lugnet.general, FTX)
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The Brickshelf splash page now shows this message: Notice: Brickshelf will not be shutting down! We will be offering "featured" accounts for $5/month shortly. This is awesome. And, this is my first real post on lugnet. Hi everyone! Rob (19 years ago, 20-Jul-07, to lugnet.general)
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The following was posted on the brickshelf main page: "Notice: Brickshelf will not be shutting down! We will be offering "featured" accounts for $5/month shortly. We have received hundreds of supportive emails in the past few days including many who (...) (19 years ago, 20-Jul-07, to lugnet.general)
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UPDATE NEWS on BrickShelf.com According to the mainpage of BRICKSHELF.com as if 9:25pm CST July 19, 2007 "Notice: Brickshelf will not be shutting down! We will be offering "featured" accounts for $5/month shortly. We have received hundreds of (...) (19 years ago, 20-Jul-07, to lugnet.general, lugnet.announce, FTX) !!
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A few weeks have passed, but I still wanted to add my deepest condolences to Eric's friends and family on his passing. I never knew Eric personally, but was definitely one of his biggest fans. His Estuary Stronghold is still one of my all-time (...) (19 years ago, 20-Jul-07, to lugnet.general)
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(...) I can't thank you enough for your very easy to use and highly effective software!!!!!!! Without it, I was not looking forward to manually backing up hundreds of pics from BS. I was one of those unfortunate users (losers) that did not have (...) (19 years ago, 19-Jul-07, to lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) It's obvious Kevin has a reason for doing this, and it's likely to be that his server is getting pounded. If we choose to circumvent it, he will most likely do something else to reduce the load, maybe even take the site down early. I would (...) (19 years ago, 19-Jul-07, to lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) it's because that directory really is missing. it's starting to look like you can only download your own directory if you are logged in. i just made changes to BS Backup so you can login to your account and download your personal directory or (...) (19 years ago, 19-Jul-07, to lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) Bob - is there a way to modify BS Backup when attempting to download via source directory to not have to verify user directory? An example - I want gallery (URL) but when I enter that into BSBackup I get an error: (URL) ERROR - i can't find (...) (19 years ago, 19-Jul-07, to lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) BTW -- you can still use google cached view of the member pages to view what they have. e.g: <link (URL) -mark (19 years ago, 19-Jul-07, to lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) That screenshot reminds me of one of the BS members that I wanted to get some pics of -- Legodreams. Now that I cannot access BS via member name does anyone have links to Legodreams galleries? -mark (19 years ago, 19-Jul-07, to lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) Duane- You heard it from me because I posted first. :) This was public knowledge at the time I posted. Past history will show that postings from Brickshelf directly are few and far between. (...) No one wants this resource to be lost, however (...) (19 years ago, 19-Jul-07, to lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) i'm really glad that people are getting good use of BS Backup. Thank you for all the kind words that you and everyone else has sent. any modifications needed to the software done by me or others are ok with me. the more people that can be (...) (19 years ago, 19-Jul-07, to lugnet.general)
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(...) First, I have to wonder why it is that we are hearing this type of news from you instead of Kevin. I don't mean to insult, but he has been conspicuously silent on the closure of Brickshelf. I little information for the community to chew on (...) (19 years ago, 19-Jul-07, to lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) Yeah, I was starting to wonder how much traffic Kevin was suffering. I know I have about 8 GB of files spread over 2 computers. I started doing the math in my head. I hope he is not paying by bandwidth. Is so, I hope he communicates to the (...) (19 years ago, 19-Jul-07, to lugnet.general)
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(...) Yep. This effects the Mac backup script I wrote, too (-f works, but -m will quit without accomplishing anything). If you know the name of a user's subfolders, you can still find them with URLs like (URL) which redirects you to the (...) (19 years ago, 19-Jul-07, to lugnet.general)
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Hi, Bob. Thank you so much for works! You've made an impressive wide way for our Exodus. In Japan, my LEGO-mate MUTCHY localized your software for Japanese. Many J-FOL (including Kids can't understand English) can save files of her/himself by using (...) (19 years ago, 19-Jul-07, to lugnet.general)
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(...) I am using LUGNET forum search to look for brickshelf links. Works pretty well. Eric (19 years ago, 19-Jul-07, to lugnet.general)
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(...) I am basically hacking it at this point. I am typing in numbers to see what comes up. I hope to find the favorites before they are gone. Todd (19 years ago, 19-Jul-07, to lugnet.general)
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(...) Todd, I ran into the same problem starting about 30 minutes ago. Eric (19 years ago, 19-Jul-07, to lugnet.general)
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(...) Hey, I think Kevin has altered the Brickshelf code. You are no longer able to access the search features or the member search. Using Bob's BS Backup, you can only download files via folder number. Anybody else having the same problem? Todd (19 years ago, 19-Jul-07, to lugnet.general)
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In lugnet.general, Brian Davis wrote: Anybody want to share "the five BS galleries you can't (...) MIKESLEGOs Bookmarks Well this is a little more than 5 links; these are all the links I bookmarked over the years. I now I have many more that I did (...) (19 years ago, 19-Jul-07, to lugnet.general)
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(...) I agree with all the posts so far. I have also found some interesting things in: (URL) like the coordinated graphics too. Todd (19 years ago, 19-Jul-07, to lugnet.general)
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(...) good point. I moved the button up to the top. (...) many thx! though your efforts in authoring and reviewing parts to me are much more worth that money ever could. w. (19 years ago, 19-Jul-07, to lugnet.general)
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(...) many thx for appreciating our efforts! w. (19 years ago, 19-Jul-07, to lugnet.general)
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(...) Brickshelf is/was an almost infinite source of inspiration, and picking five is very hard, but as a vehicle builder I have to say the following are definitely among my favorites (some of these may have already been mentioned): Srezkall, aka. (...) (19 years ago, 19-Jul-07, to lugnet.general)
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(...) Maybe the button is placed too low on the page and no one scrolls down enough? Total slowly drifting away from zero now ;o) Philo (19 years ago, 19-Jul-07, to lugnet.general)
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(...) Linked so others can easily find them: Town/Train: (URL) Jonathan Lopes> (URL) John Neal> Micro Landmarks: (URL) Arthur Gugick> Spacecraft: (URL) 2001 - A Space Odyssey models> Aircraft & Vehicles: (URL) Ralph S.> Spencer (19 years ago, 19-Jul-07, to lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) so far i've saved the following entire galleries: -jamathis -deco jim -jonathan lopes -beatnik -crazeed but i really am only doing them in the order i remember them. i'm also in the process of saving all but one of the galleries Didier (...) (19 years ago, 19-Jul-07, to lugnet.general)
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(...) What exchange rate did you use to get from 0.00 Dollars to 0.00 Euro? Just checking your math. :) (19 years ago, 19-Jul-07, to lugnet.general)
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Well said, Todd. Many, many thanks to Kevin for his long years of devotion and generosity to the online LEGO® fan community! -TJ (19 years ago, 18-Jul-07, to lugnet.general)
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Thank you Bob!! ^.^ (19 years ago, 18-Jul-07, to lugnet.general)
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While I don't use L-draw.org much, I do use L-draw a ton, and I am planning to use it more in the near future. Thanks, I hope it helps get new parts soon ;). Darren (19 years ago, 18-Jul-07, to lugnet.general)
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(...) I took a screenshot of the greatest hits page for historical purposes - (URL) Brickshelf Greatest Hits>. Marc Nelson Jr. (19 years ago, 18-Jul-07, to lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) Of course, I just tried bsbackup.sh again - the current version that gets all files - and it took 32:05. There's a little quicktime movie in there that probably accounts for most of the difference as the MPD files are quite small. So the (...) (19 years ago, 18-Jul-07, to lugnet.general, lugnet.cad.dev.mac, FTX)
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(...) For me, my top 3 would be (in no particular order): 1) Eric Strand's fabulous Samsonite Collection of LEGO Set pics. 2) Clark Stephen's great collecetion of LEGO parts (flags, roadsigns, bricks with names, etc), a great resource. 3) Jan (...) (19 years ago, 18-Jul-07, to lugnet.general)
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Thank you, Kevin. It started as a labor of love and unfortunately ended as just labor. (19 years ago, 18-Jul-07, to lugnet.general)
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It looks like the situation could be getting complicated...there are all sorts of things happening. None, to me, look like Brickshelf successors. Eric's frankness as to the economic feasability is sound, however, the irony is this: if you charge for (...) (19 years ago, 18-Jul-07, to lugnet.general)
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Now it's a grand total of $10.00. (19 years ago, 18-Jul-07, to lugnet.general)
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