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Hello! (...) Yes, by doing all the mentioned above you gave us sugar. But by changing the greys and brown you stole our bread. Bye Jojo (22 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego)
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(...) Bummer. (...) Translation: it will embarrass too many people to change back, and now we guarantee that we won't change back and embarrass them! (Humor alert! Do not take seriously! Jusss...ssst teasing...) :-) (...) Really basic bricks: (...) (22 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego)
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(...) Why not change old gray to pink then? You are saying that kids don't care about color, but the color change was still an improvement? (...) I'm really not buying that the subtle, subliminal appeal of the new colors to kids will outweigh the (...) (22 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) I'm not sure thats entirely accurate. It makes sense to me that certain items or kit are only exposed through an on-line store as retailers are reluctant to carry them. It makes sense to me (from a business point of view) to ensure that you do (...) (22 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego, lugnet.castle)
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(...) I wish people would stop talking about children like they are idiots. My 8 year-old *has* noticed the change, and she *has* asked me about it. She brought it to my attention, not the other way around. Does she buy multiple copies of the same (...) (22 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) Huw, many thanks for sharing. I really enjoyed looking at the photos. Calum (22 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general)
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(...) I mentioned yesterday (but has probably gotten lost in the multitude of posts) that I'm working on getting this. I hope to publish an update today, but it may be Monday as there is a Danish holiday tomorrow, and it's already getting late in (...) (22 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego)
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(...) I don't know how I missed that. Anyway, I'm really hoping that Lego decides to let the AFOL community know what colors are "universal" and what colors are not. I personally thought that the grays would be "universal" since they've been around (...) (22 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego)
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(...) Because there were some fires in the top management recently, so it's non-zero probability the person is not there or not in that high position ;-) (22 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego)
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(...) Why do kids have to actually note a color change between versions A & B for it to be a worthwhile product enhancement? Do most kids buy multiple copies of the same set and compare them? So what if the gray doesn't quite match their older (...) (22 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general, FTX)
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My first official MOC using New Grey: (URL) The GREY WARS> (its a spoof of Star Wars, kinda) -Lenny (22 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.announce.moc, lugnet.space, lugnet.starwars, FTX) !!
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(...) Some people won't ever be convinced - but I'd like to say this: The very fact of this question, this thread, and this discussion all supports one thing: TLG listens to the Fans. Jake is a paid professional who's sole job (it seems) is to argue (...) (22 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego) !
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(...) One word: Yes. Yours, Christian (22 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego, lugnet.castle)
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(...) Just don't make them so damn exclusive. I'm among the lucky people who have a brand store in less than an hours drive away, but even *they* don't carry the sets that I'd like to buy there. Take bulk packs. The PAB in Cologne has a mediocre (...) (22 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego, lugnet.castle)
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<SNIPPAGE> (...) the 9V (...) hobby! (...) but (...) was (...) that (...) I'm sorry, I just don't get this, When I look at a train layout, I'm not looking at the damn track... I'm looking at what's running on the track. And when you think about it, (...) (22 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego)
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(...) Or TLC's concept of it. I do plenty of shopping online, but usually when I get notified of a 25% off sale so I know I'm getting at least as good a deal as walking into a store. SAH used to have more unique items. But now most of that is (...) (22 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego, lugnet.castle)
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(...) SNIP Would that be "Classic" brown or the new "Universal" Mega-Blok looking brown? -Ken (22 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego)
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<big snip> (...) I do (...) First Jake, it is not something you can do. It is something that Lego as a company has to do. Return to the original colors and make them the "universal" from this point forward. Accept and realize that this mistake is on (...) (22 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego)
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(...) Agreed that there's nothing like putting your hands on it. But since 99.9% of retailers wouldn't carry the ISD, for instance, would you prefer that we simply don't do it, and concentrate only on things that a retailer *may* decide to stock? (...) (22 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego, lugnet.castle)
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(...) Bah... I'm simply leaning towards finding a different hobby to spend my money on. I've got enough bricks to continue to build for a while, but after that maybe I'll just stop buying your products. There are a few sets that I think are pretty (...) (22 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego)
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(...) So it's really nothing to do with S@H, but has to do with the concept of online shopping in the first place? Jake --- Jake McKee Community Liaison LEGO Community Development (22 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego, lugnet.castle)
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(...) All that was very good. Thank you! But you do realize the color change makes all those good things less compatible with your new products. Right? (...) I'm curious. I'm not sure I caught it in all the talk, but what exactly is the mistake (...) (22 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego)
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(...) Yes, you listened to us in this respect, and we are thankful for what TLC did here. And it propably sold good, too. (...) Because the mistake itself, the way how the issue was handeld, the results that have been drawn and the suicidal "we (...) (22 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego)
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(...) Why should I? Too difficiult, too expensive (plus shipping!), and it is an Online Shop, for heavens sake. There is nothing better for shopping decisions than to go into a real shop and lay your hands on the product. Besides, nobody files, (...) (22 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego, lugnet.castle)
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(...) If you accept this theory - then what would make you think Jake is brave enough to publically rebuke said highly positioned ****? If everyone else is afraid, then they have good reason to be afraid (meaning=fired) - and I'd rather have Jake (...) (22 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego)
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(...) I'm not sure what you're trying to tell me. Please explain further. Or maybe I just need some coffee. I really wish they would just tell us the real business decision behind the change. Then we could move on. (22 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego)
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(...) You mean besides reversing the color change? Marc Nelson Jr. (22 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego)
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(...) Umm.. You list several things twice - or in two categories (ie. "Countless Legends Sets" and "Guarded Inn", "Black Falcon's Fortress"). Several of those are just sets (UCS ISD and RBR) - and I can hardly count those as fitting of the bill of (...) (22 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego, lugnet.castle, FTX)
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(...) I agree. Castle wall pieces are not nearly as universally useful as plain old bricks and plates. You can make a Castle wall piece with bricks, plates, and an arch - but it's tough to make a car or a mecha out of Castle wall pieces. Marc Nelson (...) (22 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego, lugnet.castle)
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(...) Yeah, I can understand this. You make a good point. (...) See, this is where I scratch my head. I'm not sure what more I can do to convince people, or prove to people that we do listen. We've developed tons of products that are extremely AFOL (...) (22 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego)
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(...) There's an excellent reason - (URL) this statement> by Jake himself: Keep in mind that the non-AFOL consumer (especially the kids on the boards) probably hasn't realized there IS a color change. Many of this year's products aren't out yet (...) (22 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) It's more expensive than anywhere else. We have to pay tax AND shipping on top of full retail prices. Don (22 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego, lugnet.castle)
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(...) Yuk. I am an avid builder of things that would fit into the castle area, but I don't want to caught dead with such a thing as a "castle wall element". Or wooden palisades. Or BURPs (The "U" in BURP is not a joke...). Walls are supposed to be (...) (22 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego, lugnet.castle)
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(...) Agreed, and if you stand around me in person more than 10 minutes, you'll probably hear at least 3 big "thank you!" for that. But I don't think I did a good job of explaining my point. I'm not saying that AFOLs are not worth listening to. I'm (...) (22 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego)
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(...) Certainly, minus as Jason says, the times when they do come to retail. (...) Sure, but saying they don't exist, and saying they exist in a channel you don't feel like using is much different. (...) Well, besides the entire What Will You Make? (...) (22 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego, lugnet.castle)
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(...) Well not sure about in your area, but the MOT Cars & the Sopwith Camel were available at Targets and the Santa Fe Engine, Rebel Blockade Runner, Pizza To Go, & Breezeway Cafe were available at TRU. Jason Spears | (URL) BrickCentral> | (URL) (...) (22 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego, FTX)
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Hello David! (...) Thanks. Bye Jojo (22 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego)
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(...) Well I think it's pretty obvious that I would buy a ton of this pack if it was ever made. And I could think of at least a ½ dozen other builders in my club that would as well. Jason Spears | (URL) BrickCentral> | (URL) MichLUG> (22 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego, lugnet.castle, FTX)
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Basicly, builders for each theme (well certainly the core themes like space, castle, pirates, town, trains & technic) would come up with a list of the parts that they most use. Then, from there, the lists would be combined (I suspect that quite a (...) (22 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego, lugnet.announce)
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(...) Personally, I think that the best way to go is to take the 6 main themes (Castle, Space, Town, Train, Pirates, Technic) and figure out, for each of them, what parts builders of those themes most want (and for each part, whether they want old (...) (22 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego)
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Jake, Again, it is not against you but those who made the decision. (...) Just for reference, freshly from the lego.com site: "Quality for the LEGO Company is about product quality, ethical values and a consistency in all of our actions that (...) (22 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego)
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In lugnet.general, Jake McKee wrote: snip (...) Sorry Jake but I have to point out that all of the items listed above are/have been only available to those who are able to use S@H or have a Lego brand name store close to them ie; NOT the majority of (...) (22 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego, lugnet.castle)
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(...) Wow.... I've been an intern for 4 months at a Dutch injection moulding company but I never knew it was possible, apart from the black (as has been done for years with car bumpers and such) But unless you do this in HUGE quantities, how can you (...) (22 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego)
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(...) I think the grammatical/linguistic error was done on purpose, as in 'the boy done good'! (22 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general)
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(...) There's been no mention of whether white is "universal" or not. But since it clashes so much with the new permanent colors, I think it's only a matter of time before we can kiss it goodbye, too. Mark (22 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego, FTX)
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(...) I'm actually quite partial to the standard LEGO purple, though I've noticed that the Throwbot limbs aren't the same shade as all of the other pieces, and they've used three slightly different shades of purple rubber (two shades for purple (...) (22 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego)
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(...) If the roads are only 4-wide, the cars will clip each other as they drive past in opposing lanes (ask Steve Ringe how much of a problem that is). Also, not everyone builds 4-wide cars. The only one I've ever built uses the 5-wide twin (...) (22 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego)
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I'd say I have to agree that the parts packs of basic bricks, plates and tiles would be a good permanent setting. However, I would like to see those same packs in the new colors ALSO. I have room for both of the dark and light grey tones, as well as (...) (22 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego, lugnet.castle)
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What colors do you grind up and mix to get Purple Dave? :D "Purple Dave" <purpledave@maskofdestiny.com> wrote in message news:Hx9uMx.15LG@lugnet.com... (...) recycled (...) dyes. (...) into. (...) and/or (...) exactly (...) exactly (...) Once (...) (...) (22 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego)
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More feedback from me, since there doesn't seem to be enough general feedback on this topic. :P I really like the idea of releasing a bunch of castle Legends in new gray. This would be a great way for us to start building our new gray collection. I (...) (22 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego, lugnet.castle)
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(...) Peeron supports your opinion. If we're getting into unproduced pieces, I've got a MOC that is now on permanent hiatus because I need four of these in classic light-grey: (URL) bought a bunch of pieces to complete the MOC, and I've just (...) (22 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego)
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I'm glad to hear that TLC might continue service packs in the original colors. Could you give us an idea of how the current original-color packs are doing, sales-wise? This is what I would like to see continue to be sold in the original colors: (...) (22 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego, FTX) !!
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I never knew this vault existed. Wow. That is the coolest room ever. I assume most, if not all, of those sets are unopened. Seeing that stack of monorail sets made me envious . . . . (22 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general)
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(...) The simple answer is you didn't. Ever. Not in so many words, at least. However, to quote the last sentence on p16 of the 2002 LEGO Brand Guide, "All LEGO elements, whether produced in Denmark or Switzerland, in 1958 or 2001, are fully (...) (22 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego)
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(...) Yes you can. It's done all the time. Any color of ABS can be easily recycled into black, because the carbon used to color it will overpower any other dyes. Other colors are entirely dependant upon what you want to recycle them into. You can't (...) (22 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego)
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(...) They're usually hidden enough that light-bley shouldn't matter, but even just the pin tips on the blue/tan axle-pins stick out pretty bad compared to the old black/light-grey versions. Build a red TECHNIC creation and you'll see what I'm (...) (22 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego)
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(...) Absolutely, we have to help, not hinder! --member 1893 (22 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general)
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(...) Personally, for myself, the only problem the new colors represent is storage. I cannot possibly mix them in with the old colors. What I don't like is how the new Strata 1000pc tub comes with the stupid lime, orange and light blue colors. It (...) (22 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego)
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In lugnet.general, Jake McKee wrote: SNIP (...) Leave ALL colors untouched from now on. I can understand producing more or less of certain colors a year for manufacturing restraints, spicing up designs or producing other parts in rarer colors, but (...) (22 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego)
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(...) They're just making the two axle-pins in blue (friction) and tan (non-friction). That's bad enough. The only pin that's ever been made in dark-grey is the 1.5 pin, and light-bley is close enough to light-grey that what few pins they'll (...) (22 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego)
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(...) Ugh! No! Dark-bley even clashes with white. The only one that actually doesn't clash is Toa Nokama (even Toa Whenua looks a bit off with the white and blue connector pieces on an otherwise black/bley design) (22 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego, FTX)
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(...) AFOLs contribute a lot of free advertising about LEGO product by doing shows, running websites, and helping parents/kids out in the toy aisles. The tone of that advertising is very much dependant on how well our concerns are being addressed. (...) (22 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego)
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(...) I figured as much. Oh well what can I do about it except stop purchasing brick or act like a spoiled 5yr old. Personally I don't want to do either so you can consider this a positive reply to your post (...) well that's an understatement (...) (22 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego)
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(...) Now that you got your official denial, consider: Lego makes more black bricks than they do gray bricks. In the recycling article they said recycled plastic goes into black bricks. (22 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego)
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(...) < Begin Humorous Sarcasm > Well, besides the - MOT sets - Santa Fe sets - Metroliner - Club Car - Guarded Inn - Black Falcon's Fortress - USS Constellation - Countless other various Legends sets - Legends voting - Blacksmith Shop MOC - Santa (...) (22 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego, lugnet.castle)
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(...) I don't agree with that statement. It clearly means that AFOL input WILL be taken into consideration. Clearly that does not mean that TLG won't make changes contradictory to the wishes of the AFOL community... nor should it. TLG will make its (...) (22 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego)
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(...) It is my unresearched opinion that the Bracket 1x2 - 1x4 2436 has NEVER appeared in dark gray. Perhaps that's a quality that could nudge it up in the list? Constantine (22 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego)
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(...) I'm surprised they allowed you to take (and post) pictures. When I was there in 2002, I was asked to put my camera away. I only spent a little time inside. It was only one part of a perhaps hour-long personal tour of the Idea House. It must (...) (22 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general)
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Jake did well, not good. :) "Ted Michon" <ted@scltc.org> wrote in message news:Hx9DrH.JCy@lugnet.com... (...) Jake (...) market (...) (and (...) who buy (...) know a (...) of (...) That's (...) that. (...) Coca (...) that (...) your (...) old (...) (...) (22 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general)
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(...) I've been there in Marz, und I have to disappoint you. The trip from 'outside' to 'inside' is very well pass-protected. And some quite difficult doors too. And this beautiful woman won't help too.... the archivist is married.... a married (...) (22 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general)
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What colorblind IDIOT named the New Dark Grey stone? It is anything BUT stone in color. I haven't seen a single person liken it to natural stones. All liken it to metals. (...) -- Tom Stangl *(URL) Visual FAQ home *(URL) Visual FAQ Home (22 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego)
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It's not harsh. It's just a clear statement of what *could* happen. Judging by this color debacle, it's not much of a stretch, either. I have yet to see a clear Business Case answer for the color change. Everything stated to date has been pretty (...) (22 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego)
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"Ironic that the brick packages in Old Grey made available for fans was the first time those packages were available in several years. Also, making a minfig pack based on fan suggestions is only now being proposed. It's as if only now, when TLG does (...) (22 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego, lugnet.castle)
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I have the answer: Castle Wall Pieces that are mixes of old grays and news. No, not four types of pieces. ONE wall piece that contains all four colors in it. Think about it, if you make the wall pieces look like bricks made of all four colors, you (...) (22 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego, lugnet.castle)
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Yes, and release it in an "Old Gray" colored tub, as pictured! Better yet, use the OLD glue for the labels - the new stuff doesn't peel off easily like the old, resorting to chemical use to remove them, resulting in dull sides to the tubs. None of (...) (22 years ago, 5-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego)
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(...) I don't want to start a flam war but using color to identify track geometry is probably a bad idea. This is mostly because it breaks up the continuity at least in a color sense. A better solution would be to mold an identifying mark on the (...) (22 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego)
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Wow! looks like I missed all the fun! I guess there's disadvantages being upside-down after all... (...) I think the main thing most AFOLs are worried about is unintentional changes, and bad quality, as seen in the new Knights Bus. Also I'd be (...) (22 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego)
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"Jonathan Wilson" <jonwil@tpgi.com.au> wrote in message news:Hx5y0C.22KG@lugnet.com... (...) Give me a few weeks (It'd be a few days, if t weren't for upcoming finals), and I'll have at least something instruction-wise put together on MLCad. -- (...) (22 years ago, 5-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.space)
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(...) No, the only thing that would make sense would be to shift the handful of truly "cool" colors toward the warmer end of the spectrum. That way {[NO]} colors would look good next to the bleys. Looking through the various colors I have on hand, (...) (22 years ago, 5-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego)
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(...) Given your position, that would pretty much require having to resign, wouldn't it? (...) So did the thought process... (...) I hereby dub this the "Understatement of the Millennium". (...) Clearly "dark purple" is not a "universal" color. ;) (...) (22 years ago, 5-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego, FTX)
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(...) Thanks Jake, for once again reaching out to the community. I understand how the company works, and I am glad to hear that they are allowing some parts to be continued in the old colors! Having said that, I think the following would be great to (...) (22 years ago, 5-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego)
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Just in case you haven't had enough, there are now 78 more photos from (URL) SCLTC>'s display at Fullerton Railroad Days! (URL) Follow this link for more pictures: (URL). Enjoy! - Thomas Michon Webmaster, (URL) SCLTC> (22 years ago, 5-May-04, to lugnet.trains.org.scltc, lugnet.announce, lugnet.trains, lugnet.town, lugnet.org.us.lugola, lugnet.general, FTX) !!
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<snippage> (...) I agree. I careless for this color change issue more as I see what the colors look like. The only thing that I really find irritating about the colors is the decision to go with pasty skin tones instead of classic ones. That, and a (...) (22 years ago, 5-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego)
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Jake & All, (...) First, thanks for posting information for us on this subject, I am sure you feel like drinking pink fluid sometimes when you do. : ) Seriously, I know a lot of people in the clubs I am involved with are upset about this, as I think (...) (22 years ago, 5-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego)
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(...) Jake: I recall a somewhat controversial (as always!) survey that you announced in the past few months. The main focus of it was Legends. We were asked to rate possible future Legends releases. There were also questions about potential future (...) (22 years ago, 5-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego)
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(...) I have to agree with nearly all the sentiments expressed here. Jake is not personally at fault here and (note: my own unsubstantiated opinion) probably none too impressed by it all himself as he a is an AFOL as well as an employee. Thus going (...) (22 years ago, 5-May-04, to lugnet.general)
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(...) Here's a thought...make the current 9V track with the "old" dark gray. Any new track geometries---make them the "NEW" Gray. Result--those who want new track geometries will eventually wind up filtering into new gray colors...and you can easily (...) (22 years ago, 5-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego)
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In lugnet.general, Huw Millington wrote: <snippage> (...) I am just curious to see if this is an actual "official" lego set or not (it is in the Lugnet Set guide): (URL) Medinets (22 years ago, 5-May-04, to lugnet.general)
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<snip> (...) Those names are what Lego has given to them...pure and simple. Scott Lyttle (22 years ago, 5-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego)
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(...) Jake, I feel people may be cynical due to the experience of being "short-changed" by other large companies. Take eBay, for example. they always like to give the impression they are listening and "taking the community's ideas on board", when (...) (22 years ago, 5-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego)
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Jake, That brings about an interesting question that may have already been asked. What are the universal colours? Some seem obvious to me... but what about green or tan? Thanks, - Jeff (22 years ago, 5-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego)
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In lugnet.general, Jake McKee wrote: //SNIP// (...) Ok, what parts HAVE TO stay the old greys? And we can't say "everything"? How about everything but technic, because I don't buy technic and some of them seem to enjoy the new colour? What does Lego (...) (22 years ago, 5-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego)
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(...) I'd like to say I agree with Anthony has to say. Castle Walls I dont use as much as I use basic bricks (2xn and 1xn) and plates. Minifig accessories don't bother me as much because I don't army build. Furthermore, many of my accessories now (...) (22 years ago, 5-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego, lugnet.castle, FTX)
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Jake, Thanks for the update! (...) This doesn't really make sense to me. What's the point of having mottled looking light/dark grey trains running on a nicely matched dark grey track? Since the color change is permanent, start producing all elements (...) (22 years ago, 5-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego)
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(...) Thanks Huw. Likewise if I get to the bottom of these castle set issues without visiting the vault, Ill let you and lugnet know about it. Ben E. (22 years ago, 5-May-04, to lugnet.general)
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In lugnet.general, Larry Pieniazek wrote: <snip> (...) Then why debate? You have continued this conversation far longer than it needs to be. Maybe one response if you really feel the urge, but honestly, I felt his claim that Lego owes him money so (...) (22 years ago, 5-May-04, to lugnet.general)
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(...) Read Jojo's statement, that's pretty much my point of view as well... (...) They managed to back it up with reasonable facts and managed to convince people it was a better product (and at a similair price level, which in that case was (...) (22 years ago, 5-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego)
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In lugnet.general, Jake McKee wrote: <<snipped>> (...) Let me say seeing this apology shows this AFOL that Lego does care about us. (...) No doubt there. The parts packs being offered now are a very good start IMO. By "locking" in certain parts in (...) (22 years ago, 5-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego)
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Jake, First let me say thank you again and again for all your time and patience dealing with what seems to be an endless number of cranky old weirdos. Okay, now to the nasty stuff. (...) Honestly, every time I open a new set with New Grey - the (...) (22 years ago, 5-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego)
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