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Re: Appreciating what TLG and Lego Direct have done for AFOL's
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Wed, 24 Nov 2004 05:59:03 GMT
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In lugnet.color, David Eaton wrote:
> In lugnet.color, Gerhard R. Istok wrote:
> > In lugnet.color, David Eaton wrote:
> > > Gray - 1961? -> 2003 (CA/ABS switch in 1963)
> > > Brown - 1974? -> 2003 (ABS in 1977?, 1974 in different, flexible plastic)
> > > Dk Gray - 1977? -> 2003
> > >
> > > So, at least 41 years for Gray ABS, and 27 years of Brown and Dark Gray (31
> > > years for brown if you count the different plastic for the maxifig hair).
> > >
> > > Huh, it looks from Peeron like Gray was the 7th color ever produced, after
> > > white, red, green, yellow, blue, and black?
> >
> > Gray actually goes back to the 1950's. I have a 10x20 thick baseplate in
> > gray without "Lego" on the studs (pre 1957). The 10x20 baseplates first came
> > out in 1953, but I cannot confirm that they started in gray that year.
>
> Huh! Earliest I found on peeron was 1961, but that's pretty cool that it was out
> even before...
>
> > The
> > next appearance of gray came with the advent of the Architectural Sets
> > (1963-65), when gray plates came out in 1x1, 1x2, 2x2, 2x3, 2x4 and the
> > strange 8x11 plate that was the top (actually bottom) of the plastic boxes
> > that held these pieces. The earliest of these were CA, then switched to ABS.
> > Then in 1966 the #325 Shell Station came out with more different size of
> > large plates. But regular bricks didn't come out until after 1978. One of
> > the first was the 1x1 round bricks, found in the USS Constellation of 1978.
>
> I know grey *bricks* were certainly rare trinkets until about 1984 when the
> castle line started using them. Before then I seem to remember there was a bevy
> of grey plate, but very little in the way of brick.
>
> > This would make gray even older than black, which never came out in a 10x20
> > baseplate. Black first showed up in late 1961/early 1962 in most of the
> > sizes that red, white, blue and yellow came in (except the 2x8, 2x10 and 4x4
> > corner brick sizes).
>
> Wow, that's pretty cool! So, is 1961/62 the correct year for the little
> accessory kits that are in the Lugnet DB? (that's where I got my guess from, but
> admittedly it says 1957+, which I think means "1957 or later")
>
> http://guide.lugnet.com/set/218_4
> http://guide.lugnet.com/set/219_6
> http://guide.lugnet.com/set/220_6
>
> Actually, from the looks of things, it looks like blue also underwent a similar
> color change in 1958? I guess it could be due to fading, but in various pictures
> in the ULB, World of Lego Toys, and 50 Years of Play, it looks that
> Automatic-Binding-Brick-Blue was more of a light pastel blue than the darker
> blue that seems to show up everywhere after 1958. If so, I guess technically
> some might say that grey would be older than both black or blue!
>
> > Red, white, blue, yellow and green actually go back to 1949 with the
> > Automatic Binding Bricks. They even made the old style windows (for slotted
> > bricks) in all these colors. There was a gray-blue color and a purple color
> > back then as well. I'll have to check the Peeron color dates.
>
> Huh-- maybe it was that gray-blue I was seeing in the books-- interesting that
> they would even have a purple... I wonder how many years purple was a dormant
> color before re-appearing...
>
> DaveE
Dave,
Those spare parts packs (#214-#271) have a long and complicated history. They
first came out in 1955 (for non-brick items such as road signs, Esso
pumps/signs, trees/bushes) and 1957 (for bricks -- prior to that bricks were
only sold individually from retailers). So there are many variations to these
parts packs.
The #218, #219 and #220 all kept their same box numbers from 1957-65, but the
boxes changed. For these 3 spare parts packs, there are 1957, 1958-59, 1960-62
and 1963-65 box versions. So even though a #218 started in 1957 (for red,
white, blue, yellow and clear), the image in LUGNET DB is from a 1962-65
catalog, when black bricks were already in production. That would explain the
error in listing black as going back to 1957. When I get the CD finished, there
will be enough extra old Lego info to keep folks in Lugnet, Brickshelf, Peeron,
Ldraw and Bricklink busy for a while. :-)
Gary Istok
P.S. My first Lego set ever was Chrismas 1960 (#700/1 from Germany), and it had
a gray 10x20 baseplate, so I am 100% sure GRAY CAME BEFORE BLACK!
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