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(...) I imagine we would define the author of the Parts Library as LDraw.org? The point for me is, parts authors are submitting their work towards the community effort. It makes much more sense to me that the community organization licenses out the (...) (20 years ago, 18-May-04, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, FTX)
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(...) Ah, that explains my mysteriously low load time. I did the measurement on the 2nd try. So, I'd say anything drawing in the fps range is certainly getting some benefit from the opengl acceleration. Don (20 years ago, 18-May-04, to lugnet.cad.dev.mac)
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(...) Would it simplify things for part authors who don't care about the license to declare their parts to be public domain? Because I really don't want to be bothered wrestling over a license for the handful of files I had anything to do with. Don (20 years ago, 18-May-04, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) The only blurry point I see with those is the clause: "Any of these conditions can be waived if you get permission from the author." Who is the author of the parts library? ROSCO (20 years ago, 18-May-04, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, FTX)
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(...) Good point. Both of them are fine with me. I think I prefer the Attribution-ShareAlike license, if I have to make a choice between the two. It seems like if would be a good idea, if the parts library maintainers set up a poll among the parts (...) (20 years ago, 18-May-04, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Well, for what it's worth, here are my numbers on a P4 2.4GHz, ATI 9700 Pro 128MB: Load: 3437 ms Draw: 1907 ms It's worth noting that if I load the file a second time, the load portion drops to 313 ms, so the only way to be sure that disk (...) (20 years ago, 18-May-04, to lugnet.cad.dev.mac)
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(...) I know the license has been discussed for a long time, but to add my two cents; I'd really like to see the parts library use a Creative Commons license, specifically the Attibution-ShareAlike license ((URL)) or the plain old Attribution (...) (20 years ago, 18-May-04, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, FTX)
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| | Re: Mac Brick CAD and the Imerial Star Destroyer
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(...) Maybe you're running into one of those weird oddities of the Apple opengl drivers. For example rendering to the GL_FRONT buffer really renders to a hidden back buffer. There are times where this setup causes you to use triple buffering, which (...) (20 years ago, 17-May-04, to lugnet.cad.dev.mac)
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(...) Travis, Generally I have to agree with you: According to the Apple literature non-OpenGL aware graphics cars (such as the Rage128) gain significant benefit from vertex arrays but with OpenGL aware graphic cards (such as the 9000Pro ) this (...) (20 years ago, 17-May-04, to lugnet.cad.dev.mac)
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(...) The initial step is to transfer these parts file to a special pool which continues to be distributed under the existing (but rather muddy) conditions that the parts library until now has been distributed under. Second, somebody (responsible (...) (20 years ago, 17-May-04, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) On my laptop with a Pentium-M 1.4GHz, 512MB RAM, ATI Mobility Radeon 9000: Timing: Load: 3325 ms Draw: 3164 ms On my desktop with a P4 3Ghz, 1GB DDR400 RAM, ATI Radeon 9800 Pro 128MB: Timing: Load: 2062 ms Draw: 1204 ms -Orion (20 years ago, 17-May-04, to lugnet.cad.dev.mac)
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(...) Since we seem to be talking about performance measurements, what do you think about comparing the the current yardstick: l3lab? On my fairly old 500Mhz PC with a TNT video card l3lab prints this for stats. Timing: Load: 1222 ms Draw: 8442 ms (...) (20 years ago, 17-May-04, to lugnet.cad.dev.mac)
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(...) Do you have thoughts on how to deal with parts whose authors have been out of touch, and are unreachable? Any idea how many parts that affects, if say, we can't reach them and get them to agree to the license? -Tim (20 years ago, 17-May-04, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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One thing I've forgotten to mention in my previous replies is that it's really unfair to compare the performance of an editor (MBC) with a viewer (LDView), even if both are running on the same machine. A viewer doesn't have to worry about adding, (...) (20 years ago, 17-May-04, to lugnet.cad.dev.mac)
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(...) Your expectation is certainly justified. I don't know what the driver architecture is on the Mac, but I suspect that the video hardware manufacturers are responsible for the OpenGL implementation for their own hardware, just like on the PC. If (...) (20 years ago, 17-May-04, to lugnet.cad.dev.mac)
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(...) I have a few comments--based on my experience writing LDView--that I think could improve your load performance. First of all, I believe what you are saying above (and a little later in your post) is that you only cache complete bricks. If this (...) (20 years ago, 17-May-04, to lugnet.cad.dev.mac)
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| | Re: Shortname and major focus of SteerCo (was Re: Steering Committee results
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(...) Yes it's deffinately there, I must have misread the page. I've tracked down the quote that was was looking for too :) "With LDraw-dot-org going more and more formal making sure that our hobby doesn't get ruled too much.", Willy Tschager. Peter (20 years ago, 17-May-04, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) I removed the artilce form the front page as it is no longer needed. You can, however, access all the news articles via the News Archive link (you may have to click the See All link to get to the really old articles). -Orion (20 years ago, 17-May-04, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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In lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, Peter Howkins wrote: More on the rest of this later. (probably in a separate thread which focuses on the license issue) (...) I'm not sure what you mean. I just checked and the candidate summary article (290) is still (...) (20 years ago, 17-May-04, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Glad to hear there was a fast decision :) and you right it's not a big deal, it's just I hate the idea that stuff like this would take up lots of time. (...) The only issue I can see with PD is that the part authors might object to someone (...) (20 years ago, 17-May-04, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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