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In lugnet.admin.suggestions, Ross Crawford wrote:
> In lugnet.admin.suggestions, David Eaton wrote:
> > In lugnet.admin.suggestions, Ross Crawford wrote:
> > > I disagree. If I want all my information removed from the server, I want it
> > > *removed* not just hidden. If people want an option to hide their info, that
> > > should be a separate option.
> >
> > It's a totally valid request, I just hate the idea. It's one of those things
> > that makes links go stale and makes things untraceable. If it were my server,
> > I'd take the data off the common database and put it in a backup file. It might
> > be different if my server specifically said that the information transmitted was
> > under your copyright, and that my server was only using it with your permission,
> > in which case I'd reluctantly delete it. But I'd still hate to do it.
>
> Well please take a look at the small print at the bottom of my Lugnet page:
> http://www.lugnet.com/~469/ It is *my* information, and keeping a copy without
> my permission would be rude, and arguably (lawyers do like to argue about that
> kind of stuff) breach of copyright.
>
> If it were indeed your server, and you refused to acknowledge such copyright, I
> would not use it to store my information.
But see also the ToS, point 7:
- start -
7. By posting messages, uploading files, inputting data, or engaging in any
other form of communication through this service, you are granting LUGNET and
its owners a perpetual, irrevocable, royalty- free, unrestricted, non-exclusive,
worldwide license to:
(i) Use, copy, publish, sublicense, adapt, transmit, archive, restore, publicly
perform, or display any such communication in any medium, and to
(ii) Sublicense to third parties the unrestricted right to exercise any or all
of the foregoing rights granted with respect to the communication.
- end -
If we are being legalistic, it is my interpretation that you've already granted
a license to LUGNET for the info you posted, and LUGNET isn't obligated to
faciitate your ability to remove it. That's not the same as disrespecting your
copyright... the information would always be displayed with a note that it's
copyrighted.
IIRC, this wording is deliberate because that's the desired interpretation, once
you post or supply info, you license LUGNET to use it, forever. That's never
been tested in court, mind you, and I hope it never is.
A request to cancel a post is just that, a request.... I can't recall not
honoring an individual request for an individual post but that's not to say
there might not be a valid reason in the future.
(draw the parallel with a book. if you buy a copyrighted book, the author has
granted you a perpetual license to keep it in your library and read it... he
can't come along later and say that he wants it back. That's the typical book
license. Of course some software isn't licensed that way at all, all you get is
the right to use it...)
But I think the better way to approach this is not what is legal, but what is
proper. There are different sets of proprieties here... if you've made a useful
contribution to, for example, the set database, is it appropriate to say you
want all your set database entries deleted? I think most people would agree it
is not at all appropriate or useful or good to do that.
Personal pages, for the most part, are just that, personal repositories of
things that people want to share. But not always. It is ironic that Cary himself
has done stuff in personal pages that is not quite personal at all but rather a
community resource. I refer, of course, to the LUGNET FAQ he compiled. I would
be very very saddened by the loss of it. While it represents a lot of his work,
it also represents contributions by countless others as well.
So again, you can make the argument that it would be best if these pages did not
go away (assuming they don't violate other ToS things) when someone departs. But
that's a desire, not a rule, as I don't think there is anything that prevents
Cary from erasing all of his pages and making them not viewable.
Similarly for newsgroup sidebars... any curator can delete them but we'd rather
that didn't happen.
Posts, again, sometimes carry info and there are some posts that it would not be
good if they were lost as well.
Those are all arugments why, once you've made information available and granted
LUGNET that license to keep a copy and let others read it, that it's not
necessarily a good thing for the community to have you take your marbles and go
home.
That needs to be balanced against respect for the poster that wants his or her
words to go away.
I don't know what the right balance is, but it's not cut and dried... not at all
"100% the poster has all the rights and no one else has any".
++Lar (all the above is unofficial... just my thinking. good topic though and
you can be sure it will be discussed)
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