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Re: 8480 Technic Shuttles
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Sat, 1 Apr 2000 21:07:42 GMT
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Whoa, major overreaction! Read MY message again:
Mr L F Braun wrote in message <38E5197E.6B012E5B@pilot.msu.edu>...
> Rob Doucette wrote:
> > Is it time to re-hash the 'is this a sale or an auction' debate? • Although
> > its been done to [near] death, I don't think a concensus was reached on • the
> > topic.
Was a concensus reached on this topic? Read the thread I refered to, I
searched around and could not find any mention of a concensus being reached.
I included points of view on both sides of the debate. My message did not
include any judgement either way, just a question: Do folks in general
consider this type of 'sale' an auction or not?
> Did I use the word auction?
No, I didn't say you did.
> I've sold things in this manner many times before
> on b-s-t and it's never caused a problem. Ever. I even was careful to • word it
> so that it could not possibly be construed as an auction! I'm surprised • anyone
> wants to bring this up again, knowing full well how acrimonious it got last
> time. I think we've had enough of that around these parts lately.
Again, I'm not making a judgement on your post. Just asking a questions of
.b-s-t readers in general.
> > But in http://www.lugnet.com/market/theory/?n=948 Frank replies:
> > "I'm going to toss a nitpick in here, and I think I'd like to actually
> > change
> > policy and encourage these type of auctions to be considered auctions. My
> > reasoning: how is a "best offer by Thursday" different from the following
> > announcement:
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> > For sale to best offer by Dec-21-99 20:52:49 PST,
> > go to this web page to submit your offer:" [eBay Link]
>
> Frank also suggested that we cease vigilante-policing the grey areas after • a
> particularly nasty bout of flamethrowing. As I was involved in several of • these
> debates, the conclusion that was drawn at that time was that an OBO • sealed-bid
> sale was OK, because there are no bid updates. If I give someone a bid • update
> of *any* kind before all bids are unsealed, I'm running an auction, and • that's
> wrong in b-s-t. If people can see what other people have bid in any • manner--by
> emailing and asking, by visiting a website, or across b-s-t--that's an • auction,
> and it's wrong. The major difference is whether or not someone can see how • the
> bids lie before bidding is closed and the bids are opened. They're
> fundamentally different things, as was pointed out to me many times--and in • one
> of those rare moments in life, I was actually converted to this new point • of
> view. I was also converted to Frank's point of view as regards "discipline
> policing"--I only now suggest "proper fora" when it is to the
> seller/auctioneer's benefit as well as in the TOS.
I don't diagree with you.
> That's my two cents on the issue. There was no greyness whatsoever in my • mind.
> Look at it again, and it should all be clear.
I don't doubt your sincerity (sp?) or your intentions.
Sorry if my post was not clear.
-Rob.
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| (...) I don't think a consensus has been reached(1). I for one consider it an auction. However Todd has ruled that it isn't and that is sufficient. Under Lugnet T&C this post is OK for .b-s-t As much as I enjoy a good debate I don't see it as (...) (25 years ago, 1-Apr-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| Rob- (...) Did I use the word auction? I've sold things in this manner many times before on b-s-t and it's never caused a problem. Ever. I even was careful to word it so that it could not possibly be construed as an auction! I'm surprised anyone (...) (25 years ago, 31-Mar-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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