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| | | (...) OK. But it isn't set up NOW, is it? If so, what then? (20 years ago, 25-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | Re: Badgering emails —Dan Boger
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| | | | (...) I don't know? Be aware that your emails might not be getting where you send them, and not fault the user for it? It's STILL not the users' issue to solve. (20 years ago, 25-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | Re: Badgering emails —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | (...) There's no faulting flowing from this direction, merely a statement that there's a problem at the user's end. (...) Sorry, why not? I'm not clear on that really. If a user has a malformed or malfunctioning mail, why isn't that the user's issue (...) (20 years ago, 25-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | Re: Badgering emails —Dan Boger
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| | | | | | (...) #1 How would the user know there was a problem? #2 Assuming the user knows there's a problem, how can he possibly fix it if he doesn't control the mail server (or the ISP, or whever the block is occuring)? Asking that HE change his email (...) (20 years ago, 25-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Badgering emails —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | (...) Not really, no. I agree that's the desired end state but that's not what the server does now, is it? I'm asking about what should be done NOW. (20 years ago, 25-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Badgering emails —Dan Boger
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| | | | | | | (...) I thought I was answering what you asked... And what hsould be done NOW? Since you are aware of the problem, just have one of the other admins mail Kevin if need be - since it doesn't matter which admin the official mail comes fron... (20 years ago, 25-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Badgering emails —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | (...) I'm talking about the general case. We've had several situations in the recent past when mail from admins was not received (and no bounce was returned) which led to difficulty, warnings not received, timeouts not properly started because they (...) (20 years ago, 25-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Badgering emails —Dan Boger
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| | | | | | | | (...) Wow, I didn't know. In that case, a solution should certainly be found. In the meantime, a workaround would be to send two copies of the email from two admins, maybe? The chance both will fail are much smaller... And that doesn't require any (...) (20 years ago, 25-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Badgering emails —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | (...) That's what I'm talking about! I didn't think of that idea, good workaround, thanks. (20 years ago, 25-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Badgering emails —Anders Isaksson
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| | | | | | (...) Honestly, Larry, are you really asking for advise? Or are you just excercising your natural method for drawing out a thread ad infintum, until the other part gives up? Short term advice: Get yourself a gmail account and post from there - gmail (...) (20 years ago, 25-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Badgering emails —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | (...) Yes, honestly, I am. Not for me but for the other admins too. As I said, we had some situations in the past where emails (from other admins, NOT from me) went blocked or went lost and we, the admins, had no idea it happened. I agree that short (...) (20 years ago, 25-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Badgering emails —Anders Isaksson
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| | | | | | (...) First of all, one can try to get a receipt from the receivers mail program. This is certainly not fool proof, but if you get a receipt, the receiver has almost certainly seen at least the Subject of the mail. If you never get a receipt, you (...) (20 years ago, 25-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | Re: Badgering emails —Frank Filz
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| | | | (...) Hmm, I think it's actually both peoples issue to solve. SPAM is a real problem, but I have seen several providers take a lazy way out. Remember when Lugnet was incorrectly put on SPAM black lists? If it was only Lugnet's responsibility to (...) (20 years ago, 25-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | Re: Badgering emails —Dan Boger
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| | | | (...) True. If LUGENT's servers end up on a blacklist again, it would be everyone's problem. But while Kevin could (and probably should) ask his ISP to unblock Larry's server, I would doubt one user would actually make much of an impact on them. So (...) (20 years ago, 25-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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