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  Re: Did animals have rights before we invented rights?
 
(...) Ah, excellent. But then see below. (...) (URL) for those (like me) who hate to follow links: Scott: (...) Chris: (...) Scott: (...) So, in that case, perhaps I should ask this: Were you wrong to agree? Or were to agreeing with something else? (...) (23 years ago, 3-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 

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  Re: Did animals have rights before we invented rights?
 
(...) I'm not sure what infering our morals on them really means, but I do agree that we are anthropocentric in our judgement of other critters. But I'm not sure a) that this is a bad thing, or b) that it is possible to get away from. How would we (...) (23 years ago, 3-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 

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  Re: Did animals have rights before we invented rights?
 
(...) No no, your position on whether animals are moral/immoral OR amoral. Do you think they are moral/immoral or amoral? If your position is in fact the one above then you wouldn't be allowing yourself to even HAVE an opinion on the issue, and yet (...) (23 years ago, 3-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 

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  Re: What is spam? (was Re: Scary Survey results about the US First Amendment
 
(...) (sic) (...) Loss of first amendment rights (while the populace cheers on the loss) in the US *is* a real issue, whether you like it or not. In fact, whether you *understand* it or not, actually, since you have demonstrated with your slurring (...) (23 years ago, 10-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 

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  Re: Art Debate Was: [Re: Swearing?]
 
Matt, (...) Well, going on the UN, and other organizations, like EU, etc. I would hope the US never joins it. (...) This whole rights discussion is pretty funny, Matt. Let's see, if corporations have no rights, than we should not have rights, nor (...) (25 years ago, 12-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 

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  Re: Did animals have rights before we invented rights?
 
(...) My aim was to show how western morels have treated these two so differently. One is bought by the west so he can go on trial for murder, the other is given ~3.5 billion dollars in aid per year so that he may continue to murder. At the same (...) (23 years ago, 2-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 

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  Very First LEGO Sets...
 
For my LEGO DVD, I broke the early basic sets chapter into 2 halves, both of which are much bigger than on my early CD. The Automatic Binding Bricks of 1949-54 are just a few sets and 2 parts packs... but they are among the most complex and least (...) (12 years ago, 10-Apr-13, to lugnet.general)
 

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  Re: Did animals have rights before we invented rights?
 
(...) If you mean you avoid the point(1), and I don't - I agree. (...) This sounds almost threatening. You must be pretty thin skinned Larry. Do you keep a little black book of all of those who "no longer have standing" with you, or do you use (...) (23 years ago, 3-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 

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  Re: 3 Question (was: Did animals have rights before we invented rights?)
 
(...) You're creating a false dichotomy between a la "it must happen at specific point X, or else it cannot happen at all." This is simply untrue. I would assert that, far from occuring at a single, threshhold point, morality is a system of values (...) (23 years ago, 3-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 

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  Re: Unknown Japanese LEGO Sets...
 
(...) OK... I got you now Lar... the Minitalia brick in that image is composite plastic and it is USED. So that plastic is softer than ABS plastic and therefore shows more wear when in used condition. Later Minitalia was made of ABS... and retains a (...) (12 years ago, 9-Apr-13, to lugnet.general)
 

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  Re: Did animals have rights before we invented rights?
 
(...) There is nothing amoral about a lion killing a wilder beast with all its might – it is its natural right to do so. A lion will kill its prey as quickly and cleanly as it can – it does not pump it full of antibiotics and growth hormones first. (...) (23 years ago, 2-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 

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  Re: Did animals have rights before we invented rights?
 
I'm very confused. Chris: (...) Scott: (...) Larry: (...) Scott: (...) Scott, please clarify. What *is* your position? Or is it merely whatever Larry is *not*? (...) Do you not do the same? Don't I? Doesn't Larry? Don't all morally conscious (...) (23 years ago, 2-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 

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  Re: A question for my Canadian pals
 
(...) How so? Can you elaborate? What routine things do I expect others to pay for on my behalf? I buy my own stuff. (...) Or the ability of his insurance to pay? (...) You wouldn't hold that person responsible for those costs to the maximum extent (...) (20 years ago, 6-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 

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  on topic?
 
the recent "debate" on animal rights/cruelty is "off-topic". The thread that this debate happens to be in, was originally about sexism in the work place. since someone kindly suggested to another that the "animal" debate should remain "on-topic", I (...) (23 years ago, 8-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 

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  Re: Did animals have rights before we invented rights?
 
(...) Evidence? (...) Again, do you have evidence that other animals *can't* choose? (...) We may be higher on the sliding "moral" scale than most animals, but I don't agree that all other animals are at the bottom (ie totally amoral). I think (...) (23 years ago, 2-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 

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  Re: 3 Question (was: Did animals have rights before we invented rights?)
 
(...) Well, the idea is (in my mind) that morality in general has some "root" to it in order to be deemed morality at all. Heck, your morality is just as misplaced when ported to me as when mine is ported to a dog. And yet we do both. Are our (...) (23 years ago, 3-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 

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  LEGO by Country (sales history & offices).
 
One of my Unofficial LEGO Sets/Parts Collectors Guide DVD/download chapter... Chapter 73 - LEGO Sales... is now available on Youpublish... (URL) official LEGO Timeline on the LEGO.com website is a jumble of unrelated statistics that sometimes (...) (12 years ago, 8-Apr-13, to lugnet.general)
 

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  Re: Did animals have rights before we invented rights?
 
(...) But nature allows killing for the sake of survival. I have no problem taking the life of any human being who is trying to take my life or my wife's or child, and I have no problem being absolutely brutal in doing so if it means survival. If (...) (23 years ago, 2-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 

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  Toronto question
 
I don't know if there is anyone still around LUGNET in Toronto, but I was hoping for some local info. I've never been to Toronto (other than an hour changing planes at the airport once), so don't know the area at all. My other half (buys me LEGO and (...) (12 years ago, 6-Apr-13, to lugnet.loc.ca.on.tor)
 

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  Re: Did animals have rights before we invented rights?
 
(...) Disagree. Nothing makes 'right.' Might makes reality. (...) Additionally, they can choose to be immoral, which I'm wonder if people in this thread are forgetting is not the same as amoral. (...) I think there is. Neither the lion nor the (...) (23 years ago, 2-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 

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