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Re: Did animals have rights before we invented rights?
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Mon, 2 Jul 2001 08:37:46 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes:
In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Kirby Warden writes:

At any moment a person can kill another person.  No matter the laws
implaced, it is a natural ability for an animal to find a way to overcome
its forseen oppressor.

Unless you are amoral, the fact that you can kill someone does not mean, in
and of itself, that you have the RIGHT to do so. It merely means that you
have the ability to do so.

Animals are amoral. In their system, might makes right. Humans, while they
are still animal, can choose not to be amoral. To do so means repudiating
the notion that force is the only mechanism for deciding outcomes. That is,
humans transcend the merely animal.

There is nothing amoral about a lion killing a wilder beast with all its
might – it is its natural right to do so. A lion will kill its prey as
quickly and cleanly as it can – it does not pump it full of antibiotics and
growth hormones first. It can be argued that we treat the animals we eat as
badly as we can without effecting their market value – and you claim we both
have a right to do this *and* and more morals?

Scott A


If you cling to the notion that might makes right, are you human, or are you
merely an animal?


++Lar



Message has 2 Replies:
  Re: Did animals have rights before we invented rights?
 
(...) Disagree. Nothing makes 'right.' Might makes reality. (...) Additionally, they can choose to be immoral, which I'm wonder if people in this thread are forgetting is not the same as amoral. (...) I think there is. Neither the lion nor the (...) (23 years ago, 2-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
  Re: Did animals have rights before we invented rights?
 
(...) Look up the difference between amoral and immoral. There is nothing *immoral* about it, but it most certainly IS amoral, unless you think animals reason about morality and make ethical decisions. (To Ross, it's more reasonable to ask that you (...) (23 years ago, 2-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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  Re: Did animals have rights before we invented rights?
 
(...) Unless you are amoral, the fact that you can kill someone does not mean, in and of itself, that you have the RIGHT to do so. It merely means that you have the ability to do so. Animals are amoral. In their system, might makes right. Humans, (...) (23 years ago, 2-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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