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Subject:	Re: Did animals have rights before we invented rights?
Newsgroups:	lugnet.off-topic.debate
Date:	Mon, 2 Jul 2001 05:09:21 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Kirby Warden writes: > At any moment a person can kill another person. No matter the laws > implaced, it is a natural ability for an animal to find a way to overcome > its forseen oppressor. Unless you are amoral, the fact that you can kill someone does not mean, in and of itself, that you have the RIGHT to do so. It merely means that you have the ability to do so. Animals are amoral. In their system, might makes right. Humans, while they are still animal, can choose not to be amoral. To do so means repudiating the notion that force is the only mechanism for deciding outcomes. That is, humans transcend the merely animal. If you cling to the notion that might makes right, are you human, or are you merely an animal? ++Lar

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		Re: Did animals have rights before we invented rights?
(...) Evidence? (...) Again, do you have evidence that other animals can't choose? (...) We may be higher on the sliding "moral" scale than most animals, but I don't agree that all other animals are at the bottom (ie totally amoral). I think (...) (23 years ago, 2-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		Re: Did animals have rights before we invented rights?
(...) But nature allows killing for the sake of survival. I have no problem taking the life of any human being who is trying to take my life or my wife's or child, and I have no problem being absolutely brutal in doing so if it means survival. If (...) (23 years ago, 2-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		Re: Did animals have rights before we invented rights?
(...) There is nothing amoral about a lion killing a wilder beast with all its might – it is its natural right to do so. A lion will kill its prey as quickly and cleanly as it can – it does not pump it full of antibiotics and growth hormones first. (...) (23 years ago, 2-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Did animals have rights before we invented rights?
Is man-kind still considered a mammal by the science community or did I miss out on the "breakthrough" that proves we are not actually animals? Despite the appearence of higher intelligence and "moral" decision making and assuming we are still (...) (23 years ago, 2-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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