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  Re: Nature of rights? (was: Did animals have rights before we invented rights?)
 
(...) So you really do believe that ability == right. Why even use the word right instead of ability? Ability has no confusing connotations to other members of society, after all. (...) This I won't buy. I just zipped over to dictionary.com to show (...) (23 years ago, 3-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 

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  Re: Did animals have rights before we invented rights?
 
(...) *Exactly* my point. The statement "It is not very nice to yell at loved ones" therefore does not hold, because it is untrue in extremes. It does not mean it is *always* *not* "not very nice", but that the statemtent/theory itself is not (...) (23 years ago, 4-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 

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  Re: Laws about sex.... (was something else)
 
(...) True. This in fact appears to be true of all governments, no matter whether they start out just and democratic or not. And that's my issue with government, it's what our founding fathers tried to combat, imperfectly. We have a bill of rights (...) (23 years ago, 14-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 

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  Re: Lobster Bisque (was: Did animals have rights before we invented rights?)
 
(...) Really? That's something I didn't know (but then again I dislike all seafood anyway so I know very little about it). Just out of curiousity, how does it make them poisonous? Is there some sort of drastic chemical change that happens when (...) (23 years ago, 7-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 

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  Re: Validity testing (was: Did animals have rights before we invented rights?)
 
(...) I never said they *must* emerge in their "fully developed" state-- only that they must, at some point, be considered "self-aware" at some *point*. And again, that's only assuming that at one point they *DON'T* exist AT ALL, and at another (...) (23 years ago, 5-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 

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  Re: Validity testing (was: Did animals have rights before we invented rights?)
 
(...) Didn't I explain this before? I'm asking Larry where the line he's imagining is, not saying anything about what I believe with that statement-- And again, *IF* one asserts that animals do *NOT* have rights, *and* that humans *DO*, at some (...) (23 years ago, 5-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 

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  Re: Libertarian stuff (Was: Re: Art Debate Was: [Re: Swearing?])
 
(...) Your comment about a lack of respect for property is a good one. To those opposed to the Libertarian ideal, think about the effect that government not respecting property rights transforms the populace into not respecting property rights (or (...) (25 years ago, 13-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 

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  Re: Lobster Bisque (was: Did animals have rights before we invented rights?)
 
(...) I think there's a real difference between burning down a supposedly empty building (the reports I've read weren't "empty" buildings, and destroyed not just the potentially abusive research, but also research which did not use animals) and (...) (23 years ago, 8-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 

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  Re: Lobster Bisque (was: Did animals have rights before we invented rights?)
 
>>In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Daniel Jassim writes: >> >>Seeing how horrid our agricultural practices are... (...) Then I'll rephrase it: "Seeing how horrid much of America's meat related agricultural practices are, in my opinion,..." Is that more (...) (23 years ago, 7-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 

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  Re: Validity testing (was: Did animals have rights before we invented rights?)
 
(...) Sort of, but you seem to keep forcing the choice to be made between only two options in a field of possibilities. (...) Not necessarily wrong, but the attempt is misguided if it seeks to form a hard distinction where none exists. You're (...) (23 years ago, 5-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 

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  Re: Lobster Bisque (was: Did animals have rights before we invented rights?)
 
(...) For the love of heaven, must we start a new thread as to define what a fact is? How about diatribe? Were there not enough facts given at these sites? The answers to your questions are often not right in front of you. Seek well and learn well. (...) (23 years ago, 8-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 

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  Re: Lobster Bisque (was: Did animals have rights before we invented rights?)
 
(...) It's not obvious to *me*. Always looking for the disagreement, eh? I ask for some reading material because I want to have an open mind and do some research and you conclude that I disagree apriori. (...) Not interested in *countering* it. I'm (...) (23 years ago, 8-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 

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  Re: Nature of rights? (was: Did animals have rights before we invented rights?)
 
(...) I'd go farther than speculating, I'd assert it, unless someone can prove that some specific animals do reason morally, in which case I'd consider that we might want to consider them as "human" rather than "merely" animal. (a tangential SF (...) (23 years ago, 2-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 

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  Re: Did animals have rights before we invented rights?
 
(...) [snip] (...) This is an interesting point. Maybe the things that animals do resemble our rights cloely enough that we could sometimes call them rights. The dominant chicken (almost always a rooster, if one is present) does have the right to (...) (23 years ago, 2-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 

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  Re: Lobster Bisque (was: Did animals have rights before we invented rights?)
 
(...) You assume too much. I did that already, or something close to it. Didn't like the quality of sites I found, and thought I'd just (without any aspersions being cast, which is why I just asked outright instead of prefacing it with "I already (...) (23 years ago, 8-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 

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  Canadian sales April 19-25
 
Walmart flyer mentions the release of LEGO City for DS(?). ---...--- TRU flyer good from Friday April 19th through Thursday April 25th. 25% off all LEGO (and Hello Kitty) electronics. Excludes DVDs, Videogames, software and clearance. Flyer shows a (...) (12 years ago, 18-Apr-13, to lugnet.loc.ca)
 

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  Re: Lobster Bisque (was: Did animals have rights before we invented rights?)
 
(...) I say if you must eat them, at least kill them swiftly before tossing them in the boiling water. Why miss opportunities to be humane? It's good self discipline and shows character, in my opinion. For example, when an old and sick or dying pet (...) (23 years ago, 7-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 

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  vacation
 
I'm going to be going on vacation for the next two weeks. I'll try to catch up when I get back. I'm particularly interested in hearing what people have to say about the nature of property/property rights: (URL) Matthew Miller ---> mattdm@mattdm.org (...) (25 years ago, 12-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 

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  Re: Validity testing (was: Did animals have rights before we invented rights?)
 
(...) For the sake of staying within what I consider dubious givens, I would say that it was impossible for you to acquire ownership of sentient (the real meaning, not your vernacular one) beings (cows) without excercising some kind of 'might makes (...) (23 years ago, 7-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 

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  monthly dinner
 
Hey Gang; It's that time of Month. Lets all meet, eat, and see what stuph I might bring. Swiss Place Dundas Etobicoke 19:00 H Regards Chris (12 years ago, 10-Apr-13, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
 

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