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Re: Validity testing (was: Did animals have rights before we invented rights?)
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Thu, 5 Jul 2001 19:08:35 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Eaton writes:
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> > Aha... now we've reached a potential crux. What do and do not have rights?
> > Does a dog? How about a baby? Does a retarded human? Cro-magnon man?
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> This, once again, is the false dichotomy at work. Are you not asking that
> a line be drawn as a crossroads between sentient and non-sentient (ie:
> crux)? It was my impression that you'd already agreed no such line could be
> drawn, even though a distinction clearly exists (albeit admittedly bounded
> by gray areas).
Didn't I explain this before?
I'm asking Larry where the line he's imagining is, not saying anything about
what I believe with that statement-- And again, *IF* one asserts that
animals do *NOT* have rights, *and* that humans *DO*, at some point in
between the two, rights emerge. No? Am I wrong to assume such?
And as I said before, my question does not require rights to be
non-developmental-- but the assertion that they *DON'T* *EXIST* at the level
of animals necessarily requires them to "pop in" at some point between the
two ends. At some point it *EXISTS*, even if not fully developed.
The only exception I can think of (feel free to correct me if you think of
another) is that the "flow" between animals and humans is not a "flow" at
all, but rather two separate things all together. I.E. you don't accept
evolutionary theory, which *does* provide a "gradient" between "animals" and
"humans" along which such an existance (of rights) suddenly exists. No?
If no line may be drawn, that implies that rights *always* exist in *all*
things, to different degrees, yes? And that *IS* what I'm arguing. But Larry
didn't say that. I'm asking Larry where his line is, because I believe his
stance *does* in fact require a line, even if he can't pin it down (as he
has admitted). Does it not need to exist? If not, please explain how.
DaveE
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