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Subject:	Re: Lobster Bisque (was: Did animals have rights before we invented rights?)
Newsgroups:	lugnet.off-topic.debate
Date:	Sat, 7 Jul 2001 22:04:34 GMT
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>>In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Daniel Jassim writes: >> >>Seeing how horrid our agricultural practices are... > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes: > Do you have any cites for this? Then I'll rephrase it: "Seeing how horrid much of America's meat related agricultural practices are, in my opinion,..." Is that more reasonable? > You've said it a few times, it may be time to take a closer look. Of course, one must always pay the piper after all... > I feel the need for a bit of reading on this topic so > if you have some site cites that you feel present the case in a reasoned > way, that would be great. Following the subtext of your statement above, reasonably speaking, it's obvious you take issue with my opinion or perhaps disagree with part or all of my statement. If that's the case, perhaps it would be more reasonable if you provide cites to counter my statement. Likewise, presenting the case in a reasoned way would also be great. Meanwhile, you may find some reasonable reading material, as requested, at the following sites: http://www.peta-online.org http://www.CowsAreCool.com Thanks. Dan

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		Re: Lobster Bisque (was: Did animals have rights before we invented rights?)
(...) I think some crop growing methods may be suspect also. Certainly there are situations of overuse of pesticides, and monoculture growing is probably not ideal either, but there's certainly less to potentially get up in arms about. (...) (...) (23 years ago, 7-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		Re: Lobster Bisque (was: Did animals have rights before we invented rights?)
(...) It's not obvious to me. Always looking for the disagreement, eh? I ask for some reading material because I want to have an open mind and do some research and you conclude that I disagree apriori. (...) Not interested in countering it. I'm (...) (23 years ago, 8-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		Re: Lobster Bisque (was: Did animals have rights before we invented rights?)
(...) I don't think he was questioning the reasonability of your statement. He wanted you to cite some of the sources that you've used to come to that conclusion. Actually, I was reading the group yesterday when larry posted and went off to search (...) (23 years ago, 8-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		Re: Lobster Bisque (was: Did animals have rights before we invented rights?)
(...) "Meat related agricultural..." Seems a little vague to me, but I think I understand what you are getting at from the rest of the thread. You'll also have to bear with me since I am at work and am unwilling to go to either site while at work. (...) (23 years ago, 9-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Lobster Bisque (was: Did animals have rights before we invented rights?)
(...) Do you have any cites for this? You've said it a few times, it may be time to take a closer look. I feel the need for a bit of reading on this topic so if you have some site cites that you feel present the case in a reasoned way, that would be (...) (23 years ago, 7-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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