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  Re: Lobster Bisque (was: Did animals have rights before we invented rights?)
 
(...) I say if you must eat them, at least kill them swiftly before tossing them in the boiling water. Why miss opportunities to be humane? It's good self discipline and shows character, in my opinion. For example, when an old and sick or dying pet (...) (23 years ago, 7-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 

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  Re: 3 Question (was: Did animals have rights before we invented rights?)
 
I'm responding to various layers here...not just Frank. (...) hits. (...) It seems that your observation of an animal acting on what I think could be explained through instinct and self-interest has lead you to assign morality. I'm not convinced. (...) (23 years ago, 3-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 

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  Re: Lobster Bisque (was: Did animals have rights before we invented rights?)
 
(...) I understand the motivation too, I think (who can be *sure* they understand the motivation of others?). But I cannot condone force initiation. We must exhaust the rule of law first before we get that extreme. I share your concern about farming (...) (23 years ago, 8-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 

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  Re: Did animals have rights before we invented rights?
 
(...) You have asked this already. I have answered it already. (...) I think we tend to group socially with those who have morals which match our own. (...) Your own values are your own. We are all individuals. (...) A great deal. (...) Yes (...) It (...) (23 years ago, 9-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 

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  Re: Drugs and guns
 
(...) I don't think it was humor. I think he was being snotty. (...) Only if you consider a national bloodbath and endless guerilla war "bad." :-) (...) Ayup! And you know why we won't end the war on drugs? Because the police support it. You know (...) (23 years ago, 19-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 

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  Re: Lobster Bisque (was: Did animals have rights before we invented rights?)
 
>>In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Daniel Jassim writes: >> >>Seeing how horrid our agricultural practices are... (...) Then I'll rephrase it: "Seeing how horrid much of America's meat related agricultural practices are, in my opinion,..." Is that more (...) (23 years ago, 7-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 

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  Re: Validity testing (was: Did animals have rights before we invented rights?)
 
(...) Ah, now I see. That's what I get for jumping in mid-stride. I was approaching the issue as if you were espousing your own view, rather than pointing out the implications of an opposing view. Oops. (...) I would sum up by saying that it is not (...) (23 years ago, 6-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 

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  Re: Handgun Death Rate
 
I'm going to address a few selective points here, please excuse me - tonight is my 9th wedding anniversary - goin out for a nice dinner. (...) That is very true. An armed and highly visible guard would have affected his decision, but I would contend (...) (23 years ago, 19-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 

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  Re: Lobster Bisque (was: Did animals have rights before we invented rights?)
 
(...) He'd tell you that you actualised your desire and voila, a bus. Or something like that. Warning, be very careful discussing this particular, ahem, well, whatever it is they are. I hear they have some majorly powerful lawyers and I'd rather (...) (23 years ago, 6-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 

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  Re: Lobster Bisque (was: Did animals have rights before we invented rights?)
 
(...) Interestingly (or maybe not--you tell me), something analogous happened to me a few years ago during a one-on-one meeting with a Scientology "Advocate" (or whatever their brainwashers are called). Eventually I got sick of the crazy rhetoric (...) (23 years ago, 6-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 

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  Re: Did animals have rights before we invented rights?
 
(...) So. You admit you were wrong to disagree with Larry about his assessment of your position as being that the Lion was amoral? (...) Do you think "judge" is incorrect? Please suggest a better word. What is it that family/friends may do with (...) (23 years ago, 11-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 

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  The Problem (was Re: Eeek! I've been multiply moultoned!)
 
(...) Todd, (et al) I'm worried about a technical solution to authentication problem. In fact, I'm a bit worried about whether we're solving the right problem at all. To me it seems the problem is not enforcing a ban on individuals, it's more a case (...) (23 years ago, 13-Jun-01, to lugnet.admin.general)
 

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  Re: Libertarian Propaganda (was incorrectly referred to as SPAM elsewhere in the thread)
 
I have been playing too long in other branches of the tree and neglected to give this post my special once over... (...) Let's skip Waco (Chris is dealing with your misconceptions about it just fine). The general assertion is that government (...) (23 years ago, 16-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 

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  Re: The Libertarian National Socialist Green Party (was Libertarian SPAM (Propaganda))
 
(...) These ones: From (URL) Libertarian National Socialist Green Party is in part based upon the work of the Libertarian party from whom we gain appreciation for the individual spirit and independence from a morally-judgmental, active government. (...) (23 years ago, 15-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 

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  Re: Lobster Bisque (was: Did animals have rights before we invented rights?)
 
(...) It's not obvious to *me*. Always looking for the disagreement, eh? I ask for some reading material because I want to have an open mind and do some research and you conclude that I disagree apriori. (...) Not interested in *countering* it. I'm (...) (23 years ago, 8-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 

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  Re: National vote on handguns?
 
(...) Well, every argument can be beaten down to some foundational principle that is a mere assertion that some may not agree with. I am not sure I have ever seen a philosophical argument that didn't ultimately break down that way. I'd be well (...) (23 years ago, 24-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 

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  Re: Lobster Bisque (was: Did animals have rights before we invented rights?)
 
(...) Gasp! You've read the super-secret extra-litigation copyrighted Operating Thetan documents? Don't you know that you can't properly appreciate those until you've been Declared Clear? You'd better take back that Undeserved and Inaccurate (...) (23 years ago, 6-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 

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  Re: Did animals have rights before we invented rights?
 
(...) Again, I'm tremendously unclear. Please try and explain in more than 2 sentences. Try and summarize in a couple ways-- that might help. As near as I can tell, you mean one of two things: 1. You mean to say that we cannot tell if animals have (...) (23 years ago, 12-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 

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  Re: The legend died (Re: The legend lives)
 
On Mon, 11 Jun 2001 23:23:13 GMT, "Mr L F Braun" <braunli1@pilot.msu.edu> wrote: Crossposted to lugnet.market.theory, please trim follow ups accordingly. (...) I have no problem with those who wish to collect MISB sets, I have no problem with those (...) (23 years ago, 13-Jun-01, to lugnet.castle, lugnet.market.theory)
 

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  Re: Lobster Bisque (was: Did animals have rights before we invented rights?)
 
(...) You assume too much. I did that already, or something close to it. Didn't like the quality of sites I found, and thought I'd just (without any aspersions being cast, which is why I just asked outright instead of prefacing it with "I already (...) (23 years ago, 8-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 

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