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| (...) The glory of fast-passes fix that for the more popular rides such as SM ;) But the rides at LLCA move slowww...www. They have very low per-hour capacity that brings everything to a very slow crawl. And it is only worse when LLCA cuts down on (...) (18 years ago, 28-Apr-06, to lugnet.loc.us.ks, lugnet.loc.us.mo, lugnet.mediawatch, lugnet.legoland)
| | | | | Re: Newswatch: Fifth Legoland Park in Kansas City area in 2009
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| (...) Standing in line is not my idea of a fun vacation - especially with short attention span 4-12 year olds. If Legoland purposely cuts off attendance each day to insure small lines, charge a high gate fee, and can still make a profit, I think (...) (18 years ago, 28-Apr-06, to lugnet.loc.us.ks, lugnet.loc.us.mo, lugnet.mediawatch, lugnet.legoland)
| | | | | Re: Newswatch: Fifth Legoland Park in Kansas City area in 2009
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| I think that a better spot in the midwest would be near the major population centers. That would be near the Great Lakes. I think an ideal location would be near Cedar Pointe Amusement Park near Sandusky Ohio on Lake Erie. It would be within a few (...) (18 years ago, 28-Apr-06, to lugnet.loc.us.ks, lugnet.loc.us.mo, lugnet.mediawatch)
| | | | | Re: Newswatch: Fifth Legoland Park in Kansas City area in 2009
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| (...) I think there is a good chance for it to succeed in the Kansas City area. If your target attendance is 1.4M a year (which the other 4 Legoland parks average), that is well within the realm of reason if you include everything within a day's (...) (18 years ago, 28-Apr-06, to lugnet.loc.us.ks, lugnet.loc.us.mo, lugnet.mediawatch, lugnet.legoland)
| | | | | Re: Newswatch: Fifth Legoland Park in Kansas City area in 2009
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| (crossposting to .legoland) (...) To re-state what I posted on BL: I think these "tourism experts" need to find new jobs lol. LLCA has trouble getting people from as close as LA and SD to go to the park. The only reason out of towners go there is (...) (18 years ago, 28-Apr-06, to lugnet.loc.us.ks, lugnet.loc.us.mo, lugnet.mediawatch, lugnet.legoland)
| | | | | Newswatch: Fifth Legoland Park in Kansas City area in 2009
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| Exciting news for residents of the midwest United States! I read this in the 4/28/2006 Kansas City Star. "Joco" is the local shorthand for Johnson County KS: a very well-to-do, family oriented suburb on the western side of Kansas City,MO with (...) (18 years ago, 28-Apr-06, to lugnet.announce, lugnet.loc.us.ks, lugnet.loc.us.mo, lugnet.mediawatch) !!
| | | | | April Meeting Info
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| The Colorado Lego User's Group will meet at the Boulder Public Library Main Branch (1000 Canyon Blvd., email me for further directions), 1:00-5:30, on Saturday, April 17th. Out-of-state AFOLs are welcome. We'll be in the kid's section. Soren (20 years ago, 3-Apr-04, to lugnet.loc.us.co, lugnet.loc.us.ks, lugnet.loc.us.wy)
| | | | | Re: MOC: Union Station - Kansas City, MO
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| (...) I'm guessing it's done by using technic 1x2 twin-hole bricks with half-pegs in, then fitting tiles to the side. If you look at the base, there could be one facing out to each side with a 1x2 tile on, then one at the front with a 1x4 tile (...) (22 years ago, 21-Mar-02, to lugnet.town, lugnet.trains, lugnet.loc.us.ks, lugnet.loc.us.mo.kan)
| | | | | Re: MOC: Union Station - Kansas City, MO
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| (...) An elegant compromise! The SNOT glass awning is one of my favorite details of this all-around beautiful MOC. Forgive me for saying so, but I was relieved to see that your decorative and highly innovative roof at least has an ugly underneath. (...) (22 years ago, 21-Mar-02, to lugnet.town, lugnet.trains, lugnet.loc.us.ks, lugnet.loc.us.mo.kan)
| | | | | Re: MOC: Union Station - Kansas City, MO
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| (...) What an apt use of the term! LUGNET (or a club that gets together) at its best is just this, a virtuous cycle of continuous improvement. (22 years ago, 21-Mar-02, to lugnet.town, lugnet.trains, lugnet.loc.us.ks, lugnet.loc.us.mo.kan)
| | | | | Re: MOC: Union Station - Kansas City, MO
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| (...) Thank you. Those are very high words of praise, and I am flattered by your "de-lurking" to let me know your thoughts. Around 4 years back, I was just starting out with my own MOC's, and was inspired (probably even intimidated?) by all the (...) (22 years ago, 21-Mar-02, to lugnet.town, lugnet.trains, lugnet.loc.us.ks, lugnet.loc.us.mo.kan)
| | | | | Re: MOC: Union Station - Kansas City, MO
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| (...) Oops. No offense meant to any of the other memorials, or to the people that are memorialized therein. I misquoted, and I believe a more accurate statement would be that Liberty Memorial is the only "national monument" for WWI (URL) dedication (...) (22 years ago, 21-Mar-02, to lugnet.town, lugnet.trains, lugnet.loc.us.ks, lugnet.loc.us.mo.kan)
| | | | | Re: MOC: Union Station - Kansas City, MO
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| i don't respond to hardly any MOC posts, maybe 1 or 2 in all the time i've been lurking on lugnet. but this...... this is probably one of the most beautifully designed buildings made out of LEGO i have ever seen. even though it is modeled after the (...) (22 years ago, 20-Mar-02, to lugnet.town, lugnet.trains, lugnet.loc.us.ks, lugnet.loc.us.mo.kan)
| | | | | Re: MOC: Union Station - Kansas City, MO
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| (...) Your definition of "memorial" must be a lot more restricted than mine, because lots of towns and cities have memorials to the local men and boys who died in the "Great War"... --Bill. (22 years ago, 19-Mar-02, to lugnet.town, lugnet.trains, lugnet.loc.us.ks, lugnet.loc.us.mo.kan)
| | | | | Wow!
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| Wow! What an amazing model. At first I didn't believe my eyes when I opened the little thumbnail at brickshelf. I wish I had that many tiles. But the downpart is, that using this many tiles you don't see a lot of studs anymore, which should be (...) (22 years ago, 19-Mar-02, to lugnet.town, lugnet.trains, lugnet.loc.us.ks, lugnet.loc.us.mo.kan)
| | | | | Re: MOC: Union Station - Kansas City, MO
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| (...) Compression was one of the more challenging constraints. One of the most endearing traits of TLC official sets (to me) is their ability to suggest an actual structure without actually needing to model all of it in scale. (Their old passenger (...) (22 years ago, 19-Mar-02, to lugnet.town, lugnet.trains, lugnet.loc.us.ks, lugnet.loc.us.mo.kan)
| | | | | Re: MOC: Union Station - Kansas City, MO
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| (...) Unfortunately, I have never been on a train, and even worse, they have threatened to remove funding for the three Amtrak lines still in service near Union Station here in KC. I have until July to catch a train ride before they potentially go (...) (22 years ago, 18-Mar-02, to lugnet.town, lugnet.trains, lugnet.loc.us.ks, lugnet.loc.us.mo.kan)
| | | | | Re: MOC: Union Station - Kansas City, MO
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| (...) There is still a lot of 2002 left, and "greatest", like beauty, is always in the eye of the beholder - but I sincerely appreciate the compliment! I really liked your Desert Express as well as the Riviera, so I had imagined them stopping at (...) (22 years ago, 18-Mar-02, to lugnet.town, lugnet.trains, lugnet.loc.us.ks, lugnet.loc.us.mo.kan)
| | | | | Re: MOC: Union Station - Kansas City, MO
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| (...) I tried to change this on "Edit Profile" but nothing seems to happen. Can anyone help? Anyway, it's markhchan@comcast.net, or try markchan@sprintmail.com My ISP (@home) got bought out by Comcast and switched domains this month. Thanks! Mark (22 years ago, 18-Mar-02, to lugnet.town, lugnet.trains, lugnet.loc.us.ks, lugnet.loc.us.mo.kan, lugnet.admin.general)
| | | | | Re: MOC: Union Station - Kansas City, MO
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| (...) Congratulations on the completion of such a magnificent model. I'm dazzled! (...) Good luck for this second part, Mark - I can't wait to see it done! Pedro (22 years ago, 18-Mar-02, to lugnet.town, lugnet.trains, lugnet.loc.us.ks, lugnet.loc.us.mo.kan)
| | | | | Re: Union Station - Kansas City, MO
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| (...) announce It was sure worth the time! (...) real (...) The winner I guess? The roof is something special, but I find the detailed walls with the big windows something amazing too. (22 years ago, 18-Mar-02, to lugnet.town, lugnet.trains, lugnet.loc.us.ks, lugnet.loc.us.mo.kan)
| | | | | Re: MOC: Union Station - Kansas City, MO
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| Mark, Perfect station! Awesome. Brings back a flood of memories for me. This is the place that I fell in love with trains. 3 and 4 years old I was, took the Amtrak from Union Station to Texas when I was 3. Then, at age 4, took Amtrak's Chief (not (...) (22 years ago, 18-Mar-02, to lugnet.town, lugnet.trains, lugnet.loc.us.ks, lugnet.loc.us.mo.kan)
| | | | | Re: MOC: Union Station - Kansas City, MO
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| Mark, Is your e-mail address markhchan@home.com? I tried to send you mail and it bounced... SteveB (22 years ago, 18-Mar-02, to lugnet.town, lugnet.trains, lugnet.loc.us.ks, lugnet.loc.us.mo.kan)
| | | | | Re: MOC: Union Station - Kansas City, MO
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| (...) Congratulations, Mark! You have created a very pleasing and innovative MOC here! Well done! Among your original techniques I noticed and enjoyed the most is your method of compression. I know that when constructing large buildings in the (...) (22 years ago, 18-Mar-02, to lugnet.town, lugnet.trains, lugnet.loc.us.ks, lugnet.loc.us.mo.kan)
| | | | | Re: MOC: Union Station - Kansas City, MO
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| (...) <snip> (...) The only word that comes to mind is "stunning!" Great details, great shape, great building techniques, great 'feel' for the real thing. Now, all you need is a vendor selling Kansas City BBQ, and it would be perfect! JohnG, GMLTC - (...) (22 years ago, 18-Mar-02, to lugnet.town, lugnet.trains, lugnet.loc.us.ks, lugnet.loc.us.mo.kan)
| | | | | Re: MOC: Union Station - Kansas City, MO
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| (...) I'm very impressed with the level of detail and the cleanness of the non-90-degree construction. The roof is very cool, and threatens the uniquness of my "macro structures" building technique :-) Very nicely done! Amy (22 years ago, 18-Mar-02, to lugnet.town, lugnet.trains, lugnet.loc.us.ks, lugnet.loc.us.mo.kan)
| | | | | Re: MOC: Union Station - Kansas City, MO
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| (...) Thanks for that! I have to confess that in this case a picture is worth 1000 words though, your explanation makes a lot more sense when viewed with the constructon detail pics. What a neat technique! Can you see the underside of the tiles that (...) (22 years ago, 18-Mar-02, to lugnet.town, lugnet.trains, lugnet.loc.us.ks, lugnet.loc.us.mo.kan)
| | | | | Re: MOC: Union Station - Kansas City, MO
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| (...) Droool.... Very nice! I think this is better than miniland b/c it is built with the same amt of detail in a much smaller scale. Congrats on a great model. Jonathan (22 years ago, 18-Mar-02, to lugnet.town, lugnet.trains, lugnet.loc.us.ks, lugnet.loc.us.mo.kan)
| | | | | Re: MOC: Union Station - Kansas City, MO
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| (...) Mark, I am completely amazed at how your project turned out. Simply beautiful. I'd love to see this in person to "look under the hood" and learn from your techniques. Also, have you thought about contacting the promotion department of the NLUS (...) (22 years ago, 18-Mar-02, to lugnet.town, lugnet.trains, lugnet.loc.us.ks, lugnet.loc.us.mo.kan)
| | | | | Re: MOC: Union Station - Kansas City, MO
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| Hi Mark, absolutly stunning! Probably the greatest MOC of 2002? I really love this station, even if it is located in the US, my Riviera Express is looking for a stop at this fantastic station ;-) The SNOT roof is suberb build, thanks for the details (...) (22 years ago, 18-Mar-02, to lugnet.town, lugnet.trains, lugnet.loc.us.ks, lugnet.loc.us.mo.kan)
| | | | | Re: MOC: Union Station - Kansas City, MO
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| (...) Thanks for the comments! I posted some pictures in a construction folder that should give a good idea on how to build the roofs. (URL) think of it as a vertical wall of bricks, except that every 1 and 2/3 of a brick in height, you add a layer (...) (22 years ago, 18-Mar-02, to lugnet.town, lugnet.trains, lugnet.loc.us.ks, lugnet.loc.us.mo.kan)
| | | | | Re: Union Station - Kansas City, MO
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| Beautiful! Just beautiful! -- Bob Fay THE SHOP (URL) Chan" <markhchan@home.com> wrote in message news:Gt58xn.F8M@lugnet.com... (...) announce (...) real (...) Chan (...) largest (...) build (...) (22 years ago, 18-Mar-02, to lugnet.town, lugnet.trains, lugnet.loc.us.ks, lugnet.loc.us.mo.kan)
| | | | | Re: MOC: Union Station - Kansas City, MO
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| (...) Thank you for the compliment! Miniland is IMO the highest standard of detailed construction, although they get to use things we mortals could never get our hands on, even with BrickLink. (like several hundred of those 4 scoop white ice cream (...) (22 years ago, 18-Mar-02, to lugnet.town, lugnet.trains, lugnet.loc.us.ks, lugnet.loc.us.mo.kan)
| | | | | Re: MOC: Union Station - Kansas City, MO
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| (...) Um... I'm speechless. Almost. :-) This minifig scale building rivals the detail and look of some of Miniland's finest. IIRC the KC US is still standing, not too far away from Crown Center, and is now a museum. The real station is kind of at a (...) (22 years ago, 18-Mar-02, to lugnet.town, lugnet.trains, lugnet.loc.us.ks, lugnet.loc.us.mo.kan)
| | | | | Re: MOC: Union Station - Kansas City, MO
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| I find myself looking for adjectives to describe this model. Simply outstanding! Any detail you could give on the roof construction would be greatly appreciated. I am always looking for ways to build roofs without slopes. TIA, Robert Powell (22 years ago, 18-Mar-02, to lugnet.town, lugnet.trains, lugnet.loc.us.ks, lugnet.loc.us.mo.kan)
| | | | | MOC: Union Station - Kansas City, MO
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| After 3 years of planning and 6 months of building, I am pleased to announce the completion of the main section of Union Station, modeled after the real building in Kansas City, MO. This is also my entry for the 2002 Town Building Contest C (...) (22 years ago, 18-Mar-02, to lugnet.town, lugnet.announce.moc, lugnet.trains, lugnet.build.contests, lugnet.loc.us.ks, lugnet.loc.us.mo, lugnet.loc.us.mo.kan) !!
| | | | | Re: Codename Carver
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| (...) For my articulation, I just counted all the moveable joints. I strive for the most poseable creations I can make, as close to real human movement as possible. The problem I run into is that I add alot of weight in the torso and arms, and the (...) (22 years ago, 5-Mar-02, to lugnet.build.mecha, lugnet.space, lugnet.loc.us.ks)
| | | | | Re: Codename Carver
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| (...) I really don't have any internal gears, just what you see here on the hips... (URL) are two worm gears inside this case. The gears on the thighs, shown here... (URL) "plug" into the round technic holes on the hip case. everthing else is pretty (...) (22 years ago, 5-Mar-02, to lugnet.build.mecha, lugnet.space, lugnet.loc.us.ks)
| | | | | Re: Codename Carver
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| (...) pic, I was intrigued by the hint of a worm gear in the thigh area. My favorite parts of this mecha are the head and the feet. I also like the way you made the lower legs, with the Gundam-esque bulge. A fine model indeed! And it looks very (...) (22 years ago, 4-Mar-02, to lugnet.build.mecha, lugnet.space, lugnet.loc.us.ks)
| | | | | Re: Codename Carver
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| That's a very elegant and graceful looking mecha. It reminds me of a deadly ballerina dancer or something, heh. Good work! I'm interested in the engineering of that mecha. I'd appreciate it if ya' posted any internal shots or shots of the gears and (...) (22 years ago, 4-Mar-02, to lugnet.build.mecha, lugnet.space, lugnet.loc.us.ks)
| | | | | Re: Codename Carver
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| Hey thanks for the feedback Geordan. I like hearing your guys' comments. (...) I actually built those feet along time ago (right after Christmas). I just had builders block until about a week ago and built the rest of Carver in about a day. (...) (...) (22 years ago, 4-Mar-02, to lugnet.build.mecha, lugnet.space, lugnet.loc.us.ks)
| | | | | Re: Codename Carver
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| Tony this is looking really swell! The head seems to have alot of personality to it, I like it, I also really like the smooth legs you have there too, and the feet have a awesome shape to them. oo, new hand design from what I can tell, looks cool, I (...) (22 years ago, 4-Mar-02, to lugnet.build.mecha, lugnet.space, lugnet.loc.us.ks)
| | | | | Codename Carver
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| March 3, 2002 300 Hours The increased security has payed off. The first images on the new mecha menace now codenamed "Carver" have been received. Hey all. I would like to showcase my newest and largest mecha ever...Carver. (URL) Stats: 26 points of (...) (22 years ago, 3-Mar-02, to lugnet.build.mecha, lugnet.space, lugnet.loc.us.ks)
| | | | | Re: Final transmission...
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| sounds very spooky what happened to that poor man is a great travesty to the nation as a whole vengence is needed in the form of all new mecha by Mr. Knaak and his crack team to your work benches gentlemen ---...--- (...) (22 years ago, 27-Feb-02, to lugnet.build.mecha, lugnet.space, lugnet.loc.us.ks)
| | | | | Re: Final transmission...
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| Ohhh, looks sleek! uh oh, my transmission is being intercepted, what is is! Legomaster (...) (22 years ago, 27-Feb-02, to lugnet.build.mecha, lugnet.space, lugnet.loc.us.ks)
| | | | | Final transmission...
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| February 26, 2001 900 hours Final schedueled tests for the BD4 Powersuit started smoothly. The unit was air dropped over Sector 34 to perform routine systems tests. 1000 hours Test pilot Gary Hatcher reports electronic systems malfunction between (...) (22 years ago, 26-Feb-02, to lugnet.build.mecha, lugnet.space, lugnet.loc.us.ks)
| | | | | The Real Folk Blues
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| Hello Lego lovers of Kansas!! May I present an older model of mine, the Gunboat (URL) was inspired by Faye Valentine's Gunboat from the best anime television show on air now, Cowboy Bebop. Sorry about the fuzzy pics. 8( PLMKWYT out tk (Emporia, KS (...) (22 years ago, 26-Feb-02, to lugnet.loc.us.ks)
| | | | | Re: Lego Train Club in Missouri/Kansas
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| Sorry I have been out on vacation and busy with the baby. (Interestingly he is already asking for Lego’s and at only 2 weeks old.) I am very willing to help start up a LUG or LTC or both. It has been my ambition to show St. Louis and Missouri what (...) (22 years ago, 22-Jan-02, to lugnet.loc.us.ks, lugnet.loc.us.mo, lugnet.trains.org)
| | | | | Re: Lego Train Club in Missouri/Kansas
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| (...) True, and from all the posts I've read and websites I have seen, they are a friendly, sharing and creative group as well. Thanks for your support! (...) There is great BBQ on both sides of the state line. Jack's Stack (my favorite) has a site (...) (22 years ago, 17-Jan-02, to lugnet.loc.us.ks, lugnet.loc.us.mo, lugnet.trains.org)
| | | | | Re: Lego Train Club in Missouri/Kansas
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| In lugnet.loc.us.ks, John Gerlach writes: <snip> Yes indeed the fine folks in trains.org are always happy to help! (...) Stop it, I haven't had dinner yet and I hate getting drool on the keyboard. (so does KC Mo or KC K have the better BBQ goods? I (...) (22 years ago, 16-Jan-02, to lugnet.loc.us.ks, lugnet.loc.us.mo, lugnet.trains.org)
| | | | | Re: Lego Train Club in Missouri/Kansas
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| (...) And, be sure to post any questions to .trains.org - there will *always* be people happy to help! Great, now I'm thinking of Kansas City BBQ, and it's making me hungry... JohnG, GMLTC (former Kansas City resident...) (22 years ago, 16-Jan-02, to lugnet.loc.us.ks, lugnet.loc.us.mo, lugnet.trains.org)
| | | | | Re: Lego Train Club in Missouri/Kansas
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| (...) Ditto! The established train clubs certainly give us something to work towards. I've enjoyed much of the content on North Georgia's club web page. I plan on attending the Greenberg train show on February 16th and 17th, so I can see their (...) (22 years ago, 16-Jan-02, to lugnet.loc.us.ks, lugnet.loc.us.mo)
| | | | | Re: Lego Train Club in Missouri/Kansas
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| (...) Count me in. I have been so envious of the "coast" train clubs (and the MichLUG one) and would love to be a part of a MO/KS Lego Train Club (Notice how I've expanded the geographic reach?). Andrew Levering has already produced some cool logos (...) (22 years ago, 16-Jan-02, to lugnet.loc.us.mo, lugnet.loc.us.ks, lugnet.trains)
| | | | | Re: 2000 Legos Found
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| OK - The start of these are up. Not the best shots, still getting the hang of my Digital Camera I got for Christmas from my Wife. Let me know what you think Tom "Tom Boucher" <trekkie@spam.nomorestars.com> wrote in message (...) (24 years ago, 20-Dec-99, to lugnet.general, lugnet.loc.us.ks, lugnet.loc.us.mo.kan, lugnet.town)
| | | | | Train Thing
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| Count me in on the train meeting thing. I'd like to see what everyone has. I just have started to find who's located where in what areas, etc. I'm in Lawrence, KS My Primary Lego Love is Space. But I have the Railway Express Train and the 6990 and (...) (24 years ago, 8-Dec-99, to lugnet.loc.us.ks)
| | | | | Re: Lego train club for the central midwest
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| (...) if (...) way (...) meet (...) I am willing to provide a place to meet but only after the new year, it is going to get buzy here. As for interchangeable modules I think this is a good idea the The Pacific Northwest LEGO® Train Club has a site (...) (24 years ago, 7-Dec-99, to lugnet.loc.us.mo, lugnet.loc.us.il, lugnet.loc.us.ky, lugnet.loc.us.ar, lugnet.loc.us.ia, lugnet.loc.us.ne, lugnet.loc.us.tn, lugnet.loc.us.ks, lugnet.loc.us.ok)
| | | | | Lego train club for the central midwest
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| <-- snip --> (...) We have two or three people from St. Louis who are interested. We have a couple of people from Kansas City who are interested. We have one or two people from Kentucky who are interested. It seems like we have enough people to (...) (24 years ago, 7-Dec-99, to lugnet.loc.us.mo, lugnet.loc.us.il, lugnet.loc.us.ky, lugnet.loc.us.ar, lugnet.loc.us.ia, lugnet.loc.us.ne, lugnet.loc.us.tn, lugnet.loc.us.ks, lugnet.loc.us.ok)
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| TERMS OF USE FOR LUGNET.COM OVERVIEW AND DEFINITIONS lugnet.com ("LUGNET") is a privately owned Internet site designed and run primarily for the benefit of those who enjoy building with, discussing, collecting, buying & selling, trading, and (...) (25 years ago, 16-Apr-99, to lugnet.loc.us.ks)
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| Welcome to lugnet.loc.us.ks, a LUGNET discussion group. CHARTER/PURPOSE: lugnet.loc.us.ks (group): Kansas, U.S.A. lugnet.loc.us (group and hierarchy): United States of America (U.S.A.). lugnet.loc.* (hierarchy): General-purpose discussion groups for (...) (25 years ago, 16-Apr-99, to lugnet.loc.us.ks)
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