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Subject: 
New Model: The Devil's Gap
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Thu, 30 Dec 1999 01:29:54 GMT
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I did some experimenting with wheels and ropes, and came up with this little
creation which I call The Devil's Gap.  It fits nicely into the story that I'm
working on and plan to have finished soon (before I'm old enough to drink
hopefully).

Here is the link (I think I've improved the format ...):

http://members.xoom.com/verneer/gap.html

Thanks for all the feedback on the last one - it really does wonders in keeping
builders motivated and making the pages and structures more user friendly.

Let me know what you think of the mechanism that I used (crude, but perhaps
realistic?)  The only problem that I see is that the line is exposed.  Ideally,
it would all the covered up with bricks.

-- pn

   
         
     
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Re: New Model: The Devil's Gap
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AHHHHHH!  I am so impressed by your creation that I can't even stand it!  I
sincerely hope you post an extensive explanation as to how you did it.  I would
find such a thing highly interesting.

Once again, great work!  You obviously have a real talent for this!

Rick Kurtzuba

    
          
     
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Re: New Model: The Devil's Gap
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AHHHHHH!  I am so impressed by your creation that I can't even stand it!  I
sincerely hope you post an extensive explanation as to how you did it.  I would
find such a thing highly interesting.

Rick Kurtzuba

Thanks Rick

I hope this will begin to answer your question (kinda long acutally - scroll to
the bottom if you want to see the sets that I think should inspire most castle
creators):

Working on my storyline, I knew that I wanted to make Verneer's Fortress next
(since it would be the easiest).  I wanted to use the baseplate from 4990 Rock
Raiders HQ for it since it fits the theme.  But I also noticed that the
baseplate is too small for what I need (a fortress to house about 40-50
WolfKnights).  So I decided to have a safety point, and then decided building.

The first thing I needed was a gate, so I build that.  I had some extra steering
wheels from the 6441s Deep Sea Refuge, so I wanted to use them.  I then decided
to not be lazy and go all the way and have them actually work.  This will no
doubt set a precedent for me in having actual working machinery in my upcoming
castles.

The sides were no brainers - just some walls.  I wanted for them to just be
elevated points of attack onto the courtyard.  If anyone has seen "The Rock"
with Shaun Connery and Nic Cage, you will know that anyone in an elevated
position has a major fighting advantage.  So that's what this was all about - a
four way pincer that would kill the enemy as it tried to attack, or trap them
and allow for Verneer to have the upper hand in negotiations.

After that I decided to add some red bricks (solely for the aesthetic appeal -
to liven up some of the gray.  Blue would have worked, but I just have too much
red).  The front gate also is sticking out because it looks better than if it
was flat (there IS a room there by the way - no picture of it, but it's there.)

I used wooden doors from the Ninja sets because they seem much more sturdy.
They seem like huge pieces of wood that would take a while to get past.  The
shields became the preferred choice over flags after some experimenting.  The
back tower has the 1x2 gray bricks with clips - and weapons.  I actually like
them if they are used as wall pieces to hold weapons.  Agreed that they are not
sturdy, but they have their purpose.

So pretty much I looked at what I had, what I wanted, and then just went with
the old trial and error routine.  No good pictures on the web for fortresses
that I could find.

And anytime I stuck, I always check out the following sets for inspiration (feel
free to add to this list what I left out):

All can be found in Cool Site of the week archives:

1)  Dan Jezek's Fort - the meticulous detail is amazing.
2)  Michael Ulring's Castle - this is what really inspires me.  That was the
inspiration for Strombrachter (just the size of it).
3)  Dan Jezek's Skull Kragg keep - no more pictures of it ... but for those of
you that had a chance to see it, you know how awesome it was.
4)  Ed Boxer's castle - in a league of it's own.

... and more recent:

4)  Eric Kingsley's market - some great stuff
5)  Eric Kingsley's churck - also very neat and detailed.

You won't find those two in the CSOTH just yet, just do a search for Eric's name
and you are bound to see that those are winner creations.

-- pn

   
         
     
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Re: New Model: The Devil's Gap
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Thu, 30 Dec 1999 04:15:03 GMT
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In lugnet.castle, Pawel Nazarewicz writes:
I did some experimenting with wheels and ropes, and came up with this little
creation which I call The Devil's Gap.  It fits nicely into the story that I'm
working on and plan to have finished soon (before I'm old enough to drink
hopefully).

Here is the link (I think I've improved the format ...):

http://members.xoom.com/verneer/gap.html


That is sooooooooo excellent!
I wish I had your talent! Or better yet, I wish I had a talent of my own!

I've recently thought out a story between of a waging war between the Royal
knights and the fright knights, and how it started, but I have one problem - I
left my 6090 in Israel, together with most of my collection.
I'm hoping to buy the 6091 soon, but not at $99.00... I'm also hoping to go
back to Israel soon, but that seems even less likely. :-(

But I digress.

I love your Devil's Gap.
How did you make the machinery work? Please, share.

I wouldn't want to be stuck in that gap...

Also, a quest. Is Verneer supposed to be a good guy, a bad guy, or a middle
sort of guy?

Thanks for all the feedback on the last one - it really does wonders in • keeping
builders motivated and making the pages and structures more user friendly.

Let me know what you think of the mechanism that I used (crude, but perhaps
realistic?)  The only problem that I see is that the line is exposed.
Ideally,
it would all the covered up with bricks.

Don't worry about crudness, it looks great and VERY realistic. (AFAIK. That's
just from what I'd think machinery like that would look like.)


Great Job! I'd love to see more!

-Shiri

    
          
     
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Re: New Model: The Devil's Gap
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Thu, 30 Dec 1999 14:06:36 GMT
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I love your Devil's Gap.
How did you make the machinery work? Please, share.

I put together a crude picture:

http://members.xoom.com/verneer/devilsgap/mechanism4.JPG

*NOTICE* - you will have to copy and paste it.  Just clicking on it won't work.
(I think ... )

What it uses is 3 pieces that the gate slides on (2x2x5 or 2x2x4... not really
sure), two 1x2 bricks with a hole in the middle, a steering wheel, and a rope.
When you tie the rope and rotate the wheel (big and bulky - just like I would
imagine they would be), the rope winds and the gate goes up.

To finish it off, you have a 1x2 brick that bends (geez - I need to get my lego
dictionary here), put on it a 1x2 plate with one stud, a 1x1 cylinder, and a
1x1x3 antena.  The cylinder actually keeps it all in place, while the antena is
used as leverage and the actual ... lever?

I hope that clears things up.

Also, a quest. Is Verneer supposed to be a good guy, a bad guy, or a middle
sort of guy?

I tried to make Verneer to be the most individual and opportunistic one of the
heros.  While Ian is the "good" person, he has also been put in a position to be
a "good" person.  Verneer didn't get all the outlaws mobilized by being pure
good.  But he has his own agenda and is fair - so I guess that would make him a
middle person for right now (as things will change, eh?)

Don't worry about crudness, it looks great and VERY realistic. (AFAIK. That's
just from what I'd think machinery like that would look like.)

Great Job! I'd love to see more!

-Shiri

Thanks!

-- pn

   
         
     
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Re: New Model: The Devil's Gap
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Wow, very, very cool!

--


Paul Davidson

Pawel Nazarewicz <verneer@utk.edu> wrote in message
news:FnJ5Hu.9vE@lugnet.com...
I did some experimenting with wheels and ropes, and came up with this • little
creation which I call The Devil's Gap.  It fits nicely into the story that • I'm
working on and plan to have finished soon (before I'm old enough to drink
hopefully).

Here is the link (I think I've improved the format ...):

http://members.xoom.com/verneer/gap.html

Thanks for all the feedback on the last one - it really does wonders in • keeping
builders motivated and making the pages and structures more user friendly.

Let me know what you think of the mechanism that I used (crude, but • perhaps
realistic?)  The only problem that I see is that the line is exposed. • Ideally,
it would all the covered up with bricks.

-- pn

   
         
     
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Re: New Model: The Devil's Gap
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Thu, 30 Dec 1999 13:29:56 GMT
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In lugnet.castle, Pawel Nazarewicz writes:
I did some experimenting with wheels and ropes, and came up with this little
creation which I call The Devil's Gap.  It fits nicely into the story that I'm
working on and plan to have finished soon (before I'm old enough to drink
hopefully).

This is really cool!!  I was think of using that kind of baseplate (from 6091)
to make a gatehouse for my castle, but it looks like you beat me to it!  ;)

Here is the link (I think I've improved the format ...):

http://members.xoom.com/verneer/gap.html

Thanks for all the feedback on the last one - it really does wonders in
keeping builders motivated and making the pages and structures more user
friendly.

Well, I have a few suggestions, so I'll get to 'em.

~ Third row down (under details), left-most picture.  The caption says the
gate is down, but it is up.
~ If I owned this fortress, I wouldn't want to use hot magma(1) inside the
courtyard.  It would leave a rather...permanent fixture on the ground.  ;)
~ The guy in the control room is rather unprotected.  He is a sitting duck for
archers in the courtyard.  Perhaps the wall should be higher?

I hope these suggestions help!  Keep up the awesome work!

Jeff

1 - Geology nitpick:  Magma is molten rock below the surface.  When it reaches
the surface, it is called Lava.  Oh, and by definition, water is magma/lava.
So next time you turn on the faucet, remember, Lava is coming out of it!  ;)

    
          
     
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Re: New Model: The Devil's Gap
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Thu, 30 Dec 1999 17:25:38 GMT
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In lugnet.castle, Jeff Stembel writes:
In lugnet.castle, Pawel Nazarewicz writes:
I did some experimenting with wheels and ropes, and came up with this little
creation which I call The Devil's Gap.  It fits nicely into the story that • I'm
working on and plan to have finished soon (before I'm old enough to drink
hopefully).

This is really cool!!  I was think of using that kind of baseplate (from 6091)
to make a gatehouse for my castle, but it looks like you beat me to it!  ;)

Here is the link (I think I've improved the format ...):

http://members.xoom.com/verneer/gap.html

Thanks for all the feedback on the last one - it really does wonders in
keeping builders motivated and making the pages and structures more user
friendly.

Well, I have a few suggestions, so I'll get to 'em.

~ Third row down (under details), left-most picture.  The caption says the
gate is down, but it is up.
~ If I owned this fortress, I wouldn't want to use hot magma(1) inside the
courtyard.  It would leave a rather...permanent fixture on the ground.  ;)

Yes Yes!!!  Stick with the boiling oil!  Brilliant work!

Kevin

    
          
     
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Re: New Model: The Devil's Gap
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~ Third row down (under details), left-most picture.  The caption says • the
gate is down, but it is up.
~ If I owned this fortress, I wouldn't want to use hot magma(1) inside • the
courtyard.  It would leave a rather...permanent fixture on the ground. • ;)

Yes Yes!!!  Stick with the boiling oil!  Brilliant work!

Or maybe boiling oatmeal, depending on how well Verneer's men are fed. :)

Paul Davidson

    
          
     
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Re: New Model: The Devil's Gap
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In lugnet.castle, Paul Davidson writes:

Or maybe boiling oatmeal, depending on how well Verneer's men are fed. :)

Nope, too guey, it'd clog up the "murder holes"
(the holes in the battlements to allow for liquids to be poured
and arrows/bolts to be shot down upon the intruders).

Use cream of wheat.
Or grits, if you're here in "the South".
:-P~~~

Franklin

   
         
     
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Re: New Model: The Devil's Gap
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In lugnet.castle, Pawel Nazarewicz writes:
http://members.xoom.com/verneer/gap.html

This is why I should have bid higher on the RR baseplate!

Really cool work!

Where does one acquire the needed low red slopes and low red corner slopes?
What sets do these come in?

Very high marks, Pawel!!!

-- Richard

    
          
      
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Re: New Model: The Devil's Gap
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richard marchetti wrote:

In lugnet.castle, Pawel Nazarewicz writes:
http://members.xoom.com/verneer/gap.html

This is why I should have bid higher on the RR baseplate!

Really cool work!

Where does one acquire the needed low red slopes and low red corner slopes?
What sets do these come in?

Go to Glen Tannenbaum's page at:

http://www.geocities.com/RodeoDrive/Mall/1994/

And look for the roof bricks pack. It's a good deal.

--
Frank Filz

-----------------------------
Work: mailto:ffilz@us.ibm.com (business only please)
Home: mailto:ffilz@mindspring.com

    
          
     
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Re: New Model: The Devil's Gap
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Where does one acquire the needed low red slopes and low red corner slopes?
What sets do these come in?

I got them from myfamily.com - they offered $50 off $75 purchase.  I ordered 2
Dacta roof pack and 1 windows and doors pack.  The shipping was quite a bit, but
overall the deal was worth it.

-- pn

    
          
      
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Re: New Model: The Devil's Gap
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I got them from myfamily.com - they offered $50 off $75 purchase.  I ordered 2
Dacta roof pack and 1 windows and doors pack.  The shipping was quite a bit, • but
overall the deal was worth it.

-- pn

Where (and how!) did you get a 50 off purchase ticket!
Do tell...
      -Earle
====================================================================
ByTheBrick                    The solution to the bulk order problem
lego@earleshouse.com                http://www.earleshouse.com/LEGO/
====================================================================

     
           
      
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Re: New Model: The Devil's Gap
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Where (and how!) did you get a 50 off purchase ticket!
Do tell...
     -Earle

I found it at http://www.deal-finder.com (although the site seems to be down
right now).  Here is what my order looked like:


Order #:    44043                                 Date: 11-29-1999 04:48
Customer #: 31506

Product                                        Qty     Price      Total
---------------------------------------------- ------- ---------- ------------
1: Lego Dacta Roof Tiles
    Product ID: 767506                         2       $26.00        $52.00
2: Lego Doors & Windows
    Product ID: 767508                         1       $26.00        $26.00

----------------------------------------------------------------- ------------
                                                       Subtotal:     $28.00
                                                       Tax:           $0.00
                                                       Shipping:      $9.85
                                                       Discount:     $50.00
                                                       ---------- ------------
                                                       Total:        $37.85

... so the shopping was high, but everything else was good.  I guess this is
moving to shopping ...

I read Mike's Page quite frequently (http://www.guarded-inn.com/deals/) as he
keeps me updated on where to find good deals online.  This just happened to be
one of them.

    
          
      
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Re: New Model: The Devil's Gap
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I got them from myfamily.com - they offered $50 off $75 purchase.  I ordered 2
Dacta roof pack and 1 windows and doors pack.  The shipping was quite a bit, • but
overall the deal was worth it.

-- pn

Where (and how!) did you get a 50 off purchase ticket!
Do tell...
      -Earle

    
          
     
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Re: New Model: The Devil's Gap
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In lugnet.castle, Pawel Nazarewicz writes:
Where does one acquire the needed low red slopes and low red corner slopes?
What sets do these come in?

I got them from myfamily.com - they offered $50 off $75 purchase.  I ordered 2
Dacta roof pack and 1 windows and doors pack.  The shipping was quite a bit,
but overall the deal was worth it.

-- pn

Hehe!  I got the exact same stuff with that coupon!

Jeff

    
          
     
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Re: New Model: The Devil's Gap
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Me too!  And then for filling out some survey, they sent me a coupon for $50 a
$95 purchase.


In lugnet.castle, Jeff Stembel writes:
In lugnet.castle, Pawel Nazarewicz writes:
Where does one acquire the needed low red slopes and low red corner slopes?
What sets do these come in?

I got them from myfamily.com - they offered $50 off $75 purchase.  I ordered • 2
Dacta roof pack and 1 windows and doors pack.  The shipping was quite a bit,
but overall the deal was worth it.

-- pn

Hehe!  I got the exact same stuff with that coupon!

Jeff

    
          
     
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Re: New Model: The Devil's Gap
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Yup, Used it to get that 5+ Bonus Basic Town Set.  I filled ou the survey, but
I don't think you needed to.

Jeff

In lugnet.castle, Eric Brouwer writes:
Me too!  And then for filling out some survey, they sent me a coupon for $50 a
$95 purchase.

In lugnet.castle, Jeff Stembel writes:
In lugnet.castle, Pawel Nazarewicz writes:
Where does one acquire the needed low red slopes and low red corner slopes?
What sets do these come in?

I got them from myfamily.com - they offered $50 off $75 purchase.  I ordered • 2
Dacta roof pack and 1 windows and doors pack.  The shipping was quite a bit,
but overall the deal was worth it.

-- pn

Hehe!  I got the exact same stuff with that coupon!

Jeff

   
         
   
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Re: New Model: The Devil's Gap
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Thu, 30 Dec 1999 18:16:28 GMT
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In lugnet.castle, Pawel Nazarewicz writes:
I did some experimenting with wheels and ropes, and came up with this little
creation which I call The Devil's Gap.  It fits nicely into the story that I'm
working on and plan to have finished soon (before I'm old enough to drink
hopefully).

Here is the link (I think I've improved the format ...):

http://members.xoom.com/verneer/gap.html


I really like it.  I just wish I had collected castle stuff in my childhood.  I
have plenty of Gray and slopes for roofs but I have a dreadful shortage of
arches.  Well hopefully between the new Castle sets and LEGO Direct bulk orders
I will be able to fix my problem soon.

Anyway I think your creation is great.  It's a real inspiration for me.


Eric (Still waiting on a Sale for 2000 stuff) Kingsley

The New England LEGO Users Group
http://www.nelug.org

View My Creations at:
http://www.nelug.org/members/kingsley/

 

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