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Hi folks,
Jan, a friend of mine, couldn't sleep last night, so he thought of building
something, which couldn't be able to get apart again. And he was succesful. See
the structure at:
http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=39195
Does anyone got some ideas of getting "it" apart again?
Regards,
Holger
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In lugnet.build, Holger Matthes writes:
> Hi folks,
>
> Jan, a friend of mine, couldn't sleep last night, so he thought of building
> something, which couldn't be able to get apart again. And he was succesful. • See
> the structure at:
>
> http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=39195
>
> Does anyone got some ideas of getting "it" apart again?
>
> Regards,
>
> Holger
My starting point would be to use a large Technic beam to push out the Technic
beams from the grey connectors. Then the four vertical Technic bricks would be
loose and then you can take easily apart the other bricks.
Greetings,
Sybrand Bonsma
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In lugnet.build, Holger Matthes writes:
> Hi folks,
>
> Jan, a friend of mine, couldn't sleep last night, so he thought of building
> something, which couldn't be able to get apart again. And he was succesful. • See
> the structure at:
>
> http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=39195
>
> Does anyone got some ideas of getting "it" apart again?
>
> Regards,
>
> Holger
If the 1x6 beams that form the outer perimeter are held by pegs, they will just
pop off. If axels are used, they can be pushed out with another axel. It looks
like the side of the structure (left facing in pictue) will pop off. is there
an interlocking connect in the back? We need more views.
Lester
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> Jan, a friend of mine, couldn't sleep last night, so he thought of building
> something, which couldn't be able to get apart again. And he was succesful. • See
> the structure at:
Use a long axle to push the axles out of the 1x6 beams along one of the sides.
You ought to be able to start removing bricks from there.
Will
Bricksburg Fire and Rescue: www.crosswinds.net/~hokie
GoB Bricksburg Depot: http://www.brickbay.com/store.asp?p=willhess
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Ouch.
My first thought was that you could push the axles through, but looking closer,
I see those are axle connectors, and so those are two length 3 axles, not one
length 6 axle. So, the axles cannot be pushed through them.
Hmmm.
It looks to me that only thing that may get it apart is the fact that sometimes
the bricks flex a little bit, so you could try to push in opposite directions
on the horizontal 1 x 6 beams and try to pry out one of the plates that are on
the cross beam in the middle. If you manage that, then you should be able to
do the same on the other side and take the cross beam out. Then it would just
fall apart.
Looks like it's going to be tough.
Good Luck...
-Andy Lynch
----- Original Message -----
From: "Holger Matthes" <matthes@fh-aachen.de>
> Hi folks,
>
> Jan, a friend of mine, couldn't sleep last night, so he thought of building
> something, which couldn't be able to get apart again. And he was succesful. • See
> the structure at:
>
> http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=39195
>
> Does anyone got some ideas of getting "it" apart again?
>
> Regards,
>
> Holger
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In lugnet.build, Holger Matthes writes:
> Hi folks,
>
> Jan, a friend of mine, couldn't sleep last night, so he thought of building
> something, which couldn't be able to get apart again. And he was succesful. • See
> the structure at:
>
> http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=39195
>
> Does anyone got some ideas of getting "it" apart again?
I'll add my 2c. I'd be trying to lift one of the "outside" 1x6 beams off the
1x2 plates, just enough to slide it off the #3 axle. If that fails, use some
thin-nosed pliers to remove one of the axles.
ROSCO
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Hi Andy,
In lugnet.general, Andy Lynch writes:
> Ouch.
> My first thought was that you could push the axles through, but looking • closer,
> I see those are axle connectors, and so those are two length 3 axles, not one
> length 6 axle. So, the axles cannot be pushed through them.
That's the point! The axle connectors makes it impossible to push the axles
through the whole strcture!
> Hmmm.
>
> It looks to me that only thing that may get it apart is the fact that • sometimes
> the bricks flex a little bit, so you could try to push in opposite directions
> on the horizontal 1 x 6 beams and try to pry out one of the plates that are on
> the cross beam in the middle. If you manage that, then you should be able to
> do the same on the other side and take the cross beam out. Then it would just
> fall apart.
That is a solution, but does that idea fit the regular way of putting LEGO®
apart?
> Looks like it's going to be tough.
Ohh, yes - but even constructing something like that must have been very tough,
or just coincidence?
Regards,
Holger
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In lugnet.general, Ross Crawford writes:
> I'll add my 2c. I'd be trying to lift one of the "outside" 1x6 beams off the
> 1x2 plates, just enough to slide it off the #3 axle.
Yes, I've done similar things by accident a few times and usually I bailed out
exactly that way, using the flexibility of the pieces in order to "slide" them
off the studs they are on.
Theoretically, though, I think this structure could not be taken apart.
> ROSCO
- David
P.S. this is a good conclusion of this old thread:
http://news.lugnet.com/technic/?n=1362
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Holger Matthes writes:
> > It looks to me that only thing that may get it apart is the fact that
> > sometimes the bricks flex a little bit, so you could try to push in
> > opposite directions on the horizontal 1 x 6 beams and try to pry out
> > one of the plates that are on the cross beam in the middle.
>
> That is a solution, but does that idea fit the regular way of
> putting LEGO® apart?
Whenever I use Technic beams and pins in a construction, I end up having to
flex parts to put things together and take them apart...which is a real pain
when you're trying to improve some little thing.
--Bram
Bram Lambrecht
bram@cwru.edu
http://home.cwru.edu/~bxl34/
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Hi Holger,
----- Original Message -----
From: "Holger Matthes" <matthes@fh-aachen.de>
> In lugnet.general, Andy Lynch writes: • <snip>
> > It looks to me that only thing that may get it apart is the fact that • sometimes
> > the bricks flex a little bit, so you could try to push in opposite • directions
> > on the horizontal 1 x 6 beams and try to pry out one of the plates that are • on
> > the cross beam in the middle. If you manage that, then you should be able • to
> > do the same on the other side and take the cross beam out. Then it would • just
> > fall apart.
>
> That is a solution, but does that idea fit the regular way of putting LEGO®
> apart?
>
> > Looks like it's going to be tough.
>
> Ohh, yes - but even constructing something like that must have been very • tough,
> or just coincidence?
I agree the method that I described is a bit un-Lego, but my interest was in
reclaiming the bricks without breaking/destroying any.
If the goal was the make a creation that couldn't be taken apart (as you
indicated), then my vote is that your friend definitely has succeeded!!! :-)
-Andy Lynch
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This has to be the guy who designed the shock towers on the front of the
8448 Super Street Sensation. Rip it apart!
--
Bob Fay
rfay@we.mediaone.net
http://bobfay.users5.50megs.com/index.html
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Bluffs/7900/
"Andy Lynch" <andy@andyandjackie.com> wrote in message
news:004e01c0b78f$baad4da0$0f0112ac@meridianhealth.com...
> Hi Holger,
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Holger Matthes" <matthes@fh-aachen.de>
> > In lugnet.general, Andy Lynch writes: • <snip>
> > > It looks to me that only thing that may get it apart is the fact that
> > sometimes
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In lugnet.build, Holger Matthes writes:
> Jan, a friend of mine, couldn't sleep last night, so he thought of building
> something, which couldn't be able to get apart again. And he was succesful. See
> the structure at:
I mocked up a DAT file of the design. I took the liberty of a small change
to overcome the most common disassembly technique (the wiggle the plates out
method).
So, I'm pretty sure that a pair of needle-nose plyers or similar is the only
disassembly route for this. Thoughts? How can we make it stronger?
Thanks for the post Holger, and the design Jan.
Later,
Gino A...
0 Based on a LUGNET posted design by Jan Katanek
0 Name: permenant1.dat
0 Author: Gino A. Melone
0 Unofficial Model
0 ROTATION CENTER -30 -22.2775 40.1914 1 "Custom"
0 ROTATION CONFIG 1 1
1 14 -50 48 0 0 0 1 0 1 0 -1 0 0 3894.DAT
1 14 -50 -32 0 0 0 1 0 1 0 -1 0 0 3894.DAT
1 14 50 -32 0 0 0 1 0 1 0 -1 0 0 3894.DAT
1 0 -30 -22 40 -1 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 -1 4519.DAT
1 0 30 -22 40 -1 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 -1 4519.DAT
1 0 30 -22 -40 -1 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 -1 4519.DAT
1 0 -30 -22 -40 -1 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 -1 4519.DAT
1 0 -30 58 -40 -1 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 -1 4519.DAT
1 0 30 58 -40 -1 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 -1 4519.DAT
1 0 30 58 40 -1 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 -1 4519.DAT
1 0 -30 58 40 -1 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 -1 4519.DAT
1 7 0 -22 40 0 0 -1 0 1 0 1 0 0 6538.DAT
1 7 0 -22 -40 0 0 -1 0 1 0 1 0 0 6538.DAT
1 7 0 58 -40 0 0 -1 0 1 0 1 0 0 6538.DAT
1 7 0 58 40 0 0 -1 0 1 0 1 0 0 6538.DAT
1 14 50 48 0 0 0 1 0 1 0 -1 0 0 3894.DAT
1 14 -0.191 24 -9.809 -1 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 -1 3894.DAT
1 14 -0.191 24 10.191 -1 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 -1 3894.DAT
1 14 -0.191 -8 10.191 -1 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 -1 3894.DAT
1 14 -0.191 -8 -9.809 -1 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 -1 3894.DAT
1 14 0 16 0 -1 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 -1 3795.DAT
1 14 30 18 30 0 0 1 1 0 0 0 1 0 3894.DAT
1 14 -30 18 30 0 0 1 1 0 0 0 1 0 3894.DAT
1 14 -30 18 -50 0 0 1 1 0 0 0 1 0 3894.DAT
1 14 30 18 -50 0 0 1 1 0 0 0 1 0 3894.DAT
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> Ohh, yes - but even constructing something like that must have been very • tough,
> or just coincidence?
Putting it together isn't all that bad, you push the 3L axles in as the LAST
step...at least on one side.
Taking it apart would be much more of a challenge...
James
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is using a lego part permitted? you can get another plastic rod and push in
the rods just far inside to allow one of sides top out, then rest should be
easy.
--
And they said 'Computers will never be in general use'
"Holger Matthes" <matthes@fh-aachen.de> wrote in message
news:GAwKw1.B0K@lugnet.com...
> Hi folks,
>
> Jan, a friend of mine, couldn't sleep last night, so he thought of • building
> something, which couldn't be able to get apart again. And he was • succesful. See
> the structure at:
>
> http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=39195
>
> Does anyone got some ideas of getting "it" apart again?
>
> Regards,
>
> Holger
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I'm gonna build this thingy, and see what i can do.
Another idea, you could market this as "Jan's Unseperatable box", and sell
it to people!
Josh
P.S. I'll post later after i see what i can do...
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OK, so far the consensus is, conventionally, no? There is a rather similar
assembly in 8094 Technic Control Center, as can be seen in the assembly
instructions for this model, it starts on page 16 and continues through for
a few pages, where the central assembly for the plotter is being built.
It's fairly easy to assemble, but very difficult to pry apart again.
--
Cheers ...
Geoffrey Hyde
"Holger Matthes" <matthes@fh-aachen.de> wrote in message
news:GAwKw1.B0K@lugnet.com...
> Hi folks,
>
> Jan, a friend of mine, couldn't sleep last night, so he thought of • building
> something, which couldn't be able to get apart again. And he was • succesful. See
> the structure at:
>
> http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=39195
>
> Does anyone got some ideas of getting "it" apart again?
>
> Regards,
>
> Holger
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Hi Josh,
> I'm gonna build this thingy, and see what i can do.
The only thing to do with it, is to put it on your shelf and wait till the dust
have covered it all ;-)))
> Another idea, you could market this as "Jan's Unseperatable box", and sell
> it to people!
Jan called it recently: "eternal cube" V 1.1
He also added some more pictures to his brickshelf-gallery:
http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=3931
See the famous Jan at the following picture:
http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=17189
Jan is the one on the right side, me the guy at the left side. (Sorry, I don't
no the name of the one in the middle)
So what could Jan do with this "eternal cube"? Sellling it? At least on eBay
;-))
Regards,
Holger
>
> Josh
>
> P.S. I'll post later after i see what i can do...
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In lugnet.general, David Arnon writes:
> Theoretically, though, I think this structure could not be taken apart.
I put one of these together (using a 4 axle on one corner for qucik release
because I am a coward) and I have found that if you put a thumb behind the
middle of one of the horizontal beams and just pull very hard there is just
enough flexibility for the beam to come off the axles. It takes some courage
to commit yourself to putting so much stress on the elements though.
However... If you build it using 6x1 plates instead of 2x1 and put some 2x1
bricks in to make the sides solid this becomes impossible!
Psi
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In lugnet.general, Simon Bennett writes:
>
> However... If you build it using 6x1 plates instead of 2x1 and put some 2x1
> bricks in to make the sides solid this becomes impossible!
>
> Psi
Oh hell! I've just discovered that if you do my modification one quick
release axle is not enough. I can't get it apart!!!
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In lugnet.build, Holger Matthes writes:
> http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=39195
> Does anyone got some ideas of getting "it" apart again?
Some ideas:
Bolt cutters. Only one axle-set, or one technic beam, would need to go.
Drive over it. Chances are, at least one piece will be salvagable.
Glue a very thin paperclip or wire into a groove in an axle. Yank the axle
out. Depending upon the glue used, there should be no damage to the plastic.
Cheers,
- jsproat
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Hi Sybrand,
> My starting point would be to use a large Technic beam to push out the Technic
> beams from the grey connectors. Then the four vertical Technic bricks would be
> loose and then you can take easily apart the other bricks.
>
> Greetings,
>
> Sybrand Bonsma
unfortunately, I used eight beams #3, see instructions:
http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=3931
the technic connectors don#t let the axles pass through.
Jan
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Hi Lester,
> If the 1x6 beams that form the outer perimeter are held by pegs, they will just
> pop off. If axels are used, they can be pushed out with another axel. It looks
> like the side of the structure (left facing in pictue) will pop off. is there
> an interlocking connect in the back? We need more views.
>
> Lester
I used axles, but they can't be pushed through: See
http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=3931
for the building instruction (new version).
The only way to disassemle it is to pull the axles out
with the help of a steel pin. But I'm working on a solution
to make that impossible, too :-)
Jan
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Hi Will,
the axles can't be pushed through, look here:
http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=3931
Jan
> Use a long axle to push the axles out of the 1x6 beams along one of the sides.
> You ought to be able to start removing bricks from there.
>
> Will
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Hi Rolf,
> is using a lego part permitted? you can get another plastic rod and push in
> the rods just far inside to allow one of sides top out, then rest should be
> easy.
LEGO parts are permitted, but not helpful: Look at the intuctions:
http://news.lugnet.com/market/buy-sell-trade/?n=10445
to see that you can't push the axles through...:-)
Jan
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Hi Josh,
thanks for your advice to market this cube.
Maybe I'll try that just for fun....:-)
In fact, this item is definitely unseperatable without non-LEGO tools.
I managed to disassemble it with the help of a steel pin to lift out the
first crossaxle. But I'm working on a solution to avoid this...
You'll read some news here if I succeed.
Jan
In lugnet.general, Josh Baakko writes:
> I'm gonna build this thingy, and see what i can do.
>
> Another idea, you could market this as "Jan's Unseperatable box", and sell
> it to people!
>
> Josh
>
> P.S. I'll post later after i see what i can do...
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In lugnet.general, Holger Matthes writes:
> See the famous Jan at the following picture:
> http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=17189
> Jan is the one on the right side, me the guy at the left side. (Sorry, I don't
> no the name of the one in the middle)
I think the guy in the middle has to be Thomas Schlosser.
Regards,
Ben
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In lugnet.technic, Reinhard "Ben" Beneke writes:
> In lugnet.general, Holger Matthes writes:
>
> > See the famous Jan at the following picture:
> > http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=17189
> > Jan is the one on the right side, me the guy at the left side. (Sorry, I don't
> > no the name of the one in the middle)
>
> I think the guy in the middle has to be Thomas Schlosser.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ben
Ben, looking further into your series of pictures, what do I see but a
wonderful Fabuland sign.
Who is the person fortunate enough to possess this?
http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=17238
sheree
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In lugnet.technic, Sheree Rosenkrantz writes:
> In lugnet.technic, Reinhard "Ben" Beneke writes:
> > In lugnet.general, Holger Matthes writes:
> >
> > > See the famous Jan at the following picture:
> > > http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=17189
>
> Ben, looking further into your series of pictures, what do I see but a
> wonderful Fabuland sign.
> Who is the person fortunate enough to possess this?
>
> http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=17238
I'm sorry I have no idea who is owner of this sign: I just remember there was a
collector of Fabuland with hundreds of figures....
The guy who helds the sign is not the owner as far as I know. On the right hand
is the main organizer of the event: Peter Reinartz (reinartz@aurego.de). Maybe
you ask him for more infos about who has been the Fabuland expert there in
Muelheim, october 2000.
Kind Regards,
Ben
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In lugnet.fabuland, Reinhard "Ben" Beneke writes:
> In lugnet.technic, Sheree Rosenkrantz writes:
> > In lugnet.technic, Reinhard "Ben" Beneke writes:
> > > In lugnet.general, Holger Matthes writes:
> > >
> > > > See the famous Jan at the following picture:
> > > > http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=17189
>
> >
> > Ben, looking further into your series of pictures, what do I see but a
> > wonderful Fabuland sign.
> > Who is the person fortunate enough to possess this?
> >
> > http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=17238
>
> I'm sorry I have no idea who is owner of this sign: I just remember there was a
> collector of Fabuland with hundreds of figures....
>
> The guy who helds the sign is not the owner as far as I know. On the right hand
> is the main organizer of the event: Peter Reinartz (reinartz@aurego.de). Maybe
> you ask him for more infos about who has been the Fabuland expert there in
> Muelheim, october 2000.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Ben
Thanks for the reply Ben.
I was mainly wondering if this individual was a member of the Lugnet
community - another brain to pick in regards to Fabuland. It is always nice
to see Fabuland represented at any event. I don't want it to be forgotten.
To me it represents a kinder, gentler, dare I say "better" time in Lego
history. (Scampiness + whimsey.)
Also I think people should be aware that some of the best parts originated
in Fabuland. Big pieces can be beautiful.
Big yellow wheel (great for industrial building as well as turntable
extensions)
Car roofs (flip top and regular)
sign posts
streetlamps
Ship's wheel
straight and spiral staircases
[of course I only know these things because of a section at Sybrand Bonsma's
Unofficial Fabuland Homepage]
For more see
http://members.tripod.com/~Sybrand_Bonsma/fabu1eng.html
see Parts Guide under Inventory
Hundreds of Fabuland figures! What a nice vision to start my day with...
sheree
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