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Hi all,
I've been having the biggest trouble filling my new ships with
machinery. I have, for your consideration, a rough .jpg of a pair of
small-bore oil-fired boilers on a display plate with a little naval
officer for scale (yes, they're selectively compressed, I know):
http://www.msu.edu/user/braunli1/Newboilers.jpg
Note the Sebulba pod vents--they really do come in handy here!
Any suggestions as to further machinery, ductwork, etc., and how I might
render these inside a naval vessel, circa 1925? I've already decided
that very few areas will actually be significantly detailed--deck
support will just take up too much space by itself, and I need the
pieces for the upperworks.
Since I just got a new halogen work lamp and a bigger memory card for my
camera, I'll take some photos of the new triple HG turrets for the large
ship currently building (_Ekaterina II_) in the next few days.
Outwardly the ship will take its inspiration from the Russian 1915
capital ship of the same name, while positing a possible course of
evolution from it (thus the oil-fired boilers!). The compression
factor, which is significant (~1:3), makes these tasks all the more
difficult, so any suggestions are highly appreciated.
best,
Lindsay
n.b.: Crossposted to lugnet.pirates, because there are a lot of great
boat-heads over there too.
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In lugnet.boats, Lindsay Frederick Braun writes:
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> Hi all,
>
> I've been having the biggest trouble filling my new ships with
> machinery. I have, for your consideration, a rough .jpg of a pair of
> small-bore oil-fired boilers on a display plate with a little naval
> officer for scale (yes, they're selectively compressed, I know):
Lets put it this way, if they are that selectivly compressed, each one is about
big enough to power a boat 2x the size of a rowboat!
They would be in real life MASSIVE structures, on the order of 15' across each,
and the same high. Small ones like that would likely produce 20-50 HP worth of
steam, not very much...unless you are using them as Aux boilers, then you need
much bigger ones...
On HMCS Anapolis (sorry, my spelling sucks!) the boilers were 3 decks high
(around 30 ft) and 25 by 25 or so, for 12 000 HP of steam each. Ones fitted to
a older ship would be smaller, but there would be more of them. If she was
originally fitted out as a coal burner, then there would be even more of
them...
James P
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James is right, but I still like the way they look. L, you're right,
those star wars elements even kind of look like a grate looking into the
firebox. I could see using these boilers inside a small machine shed in
an older factory.
The problem with selective compression is that some things get
compressed in several dimensions which really messes them up.
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In lugnet.boats, Mr L F Braun wrote:
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> Hi all,
>
> I've been having the biggest trouble filling my new ships with
> machinery. I have, for your consideration, a rough .jpg of a pair of
> small-bore oil-fired boilers on a display plate with a little naval
> officer for scale (yes, they're selectively compressed, I know):
>
> http://www.msu.edu/user/braunli1/Newboilers.jpg
Very nice!
> Note the Sebulba pod vents--they really do come in handy here!
I fell in love with those tiles as soon as I saw them. Must aquire
fire-grates...
Steve
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In lugnet.boats, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> James is right, but I still like the way they look. L, you're right,
> those star wars elements even kind of look like a grate looking into the
> firebox. I could see using these boilers inside a small machine shed in
> an older factory.
Oh, I would say they look _great_ as far as a small boiler goes...in fact,
they look a lot like a boiler I may get the chance to help retube at
school...but it supplies steam to a 15 BHP engine...so not all that much
power...and our steam car boiler/engine is at least 15 BHP, and much smaller
(16" dia, about 2' tall, with 298 firetubes)
James P
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James Powell wrote:
> In lugnet.boats, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> > James is right, but I still like the way they look. L, you're right,
> > those star wars elements even kind of look like a grate looking into the
> > firebox. I could see using these boilers inside a small machine shed in
> > an older factory.
>
> Oh, I would say they look _great_ as far as a small boiler goes...in fact,
> they look a lot like a boiler I may get the chance to help retube at
> school...but it supplies steam to a 15 BHP engine...so not all that much
> power...and our steam car boiler/engine is at least 15 BHP, and much smaller
> (16" dia, about 2' tall, with 298 firetubes)
Yeah, I figured they were way too small for a ship by themselves--my thought was
to install a dozen or so (for a whopping 180 BHP)...but the problem with the
three-deck model is that the ship isn't full-hull, it's waterline. I wish I
could have the hull to have a deck full of coal and boilers with a coal-bunker
of 1x1 and 1x2 black plates!
These boilers may end up in a cruiser (or an 1870s ironclad!) instead of a
capital ship, considering the size issues pointed out earlier. For Ekaterina, I
may just have the deck contour shown over where the machinery would be inside
the ship...but it's still a bit grumble-inducing.
best
Lindsay
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Do any part of the boilers in a capital ship of the mauve decade
protrude above waterline? Maybe you should just suggest the top of the
boilers on the lowest deck?
And why is this cross posted to Pirates?? :-)
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http://www.mercator.com. Mercator, the e-business transformation company
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On Sat, 5 Feb 2000, Larry Pieniazek (<389BA44F.76044CE9@voyager.net>)
wrote at 04:17:19
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> And why is this cross posted to Pirates?? :-)
Because they still operate in the South China Sea? (amongst other places
:-) )
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Tony Priestman
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Tony Priestman wrote:
> On Sat, 5 Feb 2000, Larry Pieniazek (<389BA44F.76044CE9@voyager.net>)
> wrote at 04:17:19
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> >
> > And why is this cross posted to Pirates?? :-)
>
> Because they still operate in the South China Sea? (amongst other places
> :-) )
Actually, because a lot of people with good technical expertise and interest
read .pirates and not .boats (IIRC). And yeah, I was thinking about just
modeling the tops of the boilers...but I haven't settled on a solution yet.
best
LFB
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Larry Pieniazek wrote
> Do any part of the boilers in a capital ship of the mauve decade
> protrude above waterline? Maybe you should just suggest the top of the
> boilers on the lowest deck?
>
> And why is this cross posted to Pirates?? :-)
How about because Lindsay, arch pirate and knower of all manner of obscure
things piratical, wants it that way.
Sounds fine by me.
Oh, and because I'm trying and failing dismally to put a teeny tiny boiler
into my period sidewheel riverboat (on the ten wide adventurers hull), and I
can use all the inspiration I can get :-)
I thought the boilers based on the SW Y wing nacelles were looking good - I
kind of imagined a bank of them working together.
In contrast to all the complaints about size, they're just too big for my
uses :-)
Richard
Still baldly going...
Check out Port Block at http://www.hinet.net.au/~rparsons/port/
Note the change in URL - Port Block is moving (to new and larger
accommodations)
Do adjust your set.
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On Sun, 6 Feb 2000, Richard Parsons (<FpJ6oq.5r9@lugnet.com>) wrote at
23:08:58
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> Oh, and because I'm trying and failing dismally to put a teeny tiny boiler
> into my period sidewheel riverboat (on the ten wide adventurers hull), and I
> can use all the inspiration I can get :-)
Is this the Amazon Adventure thingy?
I don't think we've got it in the UK. Are these the single brick thick
bow sections?
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Tony Priestman
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Tony Priestman wrote
> > Oh, and because I'm trying and failing dismally to put a teeny tiny boiler
> > into my period sidewheel riverboat (on the ten wide adventurers hull), and • I
> > can use all the inspiration I can get :-)
>
> Is this the Amazon Adventure thingy?
>
> I don't think we've got it in the UK. Are these the single brick thick
> bow sections?
http://www.lugnet.com/pause/search/?query=5976-1
Mmmm, think six wide bow bits used to make 'cutters', and then think ten
wide. There's also a top/bottom plate with the same profile (a la six wide)
and there is also a top plate complete with gunwales.
In the River Expedition, you get two hull pieces, a standard plate, and a
tricky top plate - just enough to make a flat paddle steamer hull - one hull
piece fore and aft, standard plate at the stern, top plate at the bow. It
means you don't get plates underneath, but I have never liked that look
anyway.
Richard
Still baldly going...
Check out Port Block at http://www.hinet.net.au/~rparsons/port/
Note the change in URL - Port Block is moving (to new and larger
accommodations)
Do adjust your set.
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Tony Priestman wrote:
> On Sun, 6 Feb 2000, Richard Parsons (<FpJ6oq.5r9@lugnet.com>) wrote at
> 23:08:58
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> > Oh, and because I'm trying and failing dismally to put a teeny tiny boiler
> > into my period sidewheel riverboat (on the ten wide adventurers hull), and I
> > can use all the inspiration I can get :-)
I've often gone directly for screw propulsion. But if I'm not mistaken, weren't
most small paddlewheelers (<800 dwt) run by a single boiler, oriented front to
back like a train given the orientation of the wheels' axle? I saw a boat like
this, and the boiler was fed from the front below decks--it wasn't that big,
either; about 1/3 the width of the boat. Could you take the boiler I've
prototyped and reorient it front-to-back?
Of course, if your boat is only waterline, you might want to render the housing
only, in med-slope bricks. The feed could be above water, but much of the boiler
would be below deck. For a boat that size, I don't see a need for more than one,
do you? (The Clermont only had one, IIRC, and compared to a minifig the boat was
about 12-14 studs wide.)
> Is this the Amazon Adventure thingy?
>
> I don't think we've got it in the UK. Are these the single brick thick
> bow sections?
Yeah. There's a 6w and a 10w style. I just got two copies of 6560 Diving
Expedition Explorer, which has two of these in white and one in blue, as well as
the "top" piece in white. I've played with the bows, although I haven't had time
to build the sets--I also love that 8x2 extended inverse-window used on the
bridge...time to start building those tankers to be victimised by my commerce
raider...
best
Lindsay
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In lugnet.pirates, Lindsay Frederick Braun writes:
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>
> Tony Priestman wrote:
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> > On Sun, 6 Feb 2000, Richard Parsons (<FpJ6oq.5r9@lugnet.com>) wrote at
> > 23:08:58
> >
> > > Oh, and because I'm trying and failing dismally to put a teeny tiny boiler
> > > into my period sidewheel riverboat (on the ten wide adventurers hull), and • I
> > > can use all the inspiration I can get :-)
>
> I've often gone directly for screw propulsion. But if I'm not mistaken, • weren't
> most small paddlewheelers (<800 dwt) run by a single boiler, oriented front to
> back like a train given the orientation of the wheels' axle? I saw a boat • like
> this, and the boiler was fed from the front below decks--it wasn't that big,
> either; about 1/3 the width of the boat. Could you take the boiler I've
> prototyped and reorient it front-to-back?
That would sound about right. I can ask the PNLTC members who live in Portland
for pictures of one if you guys are really interested (Ben Fleskes should be
able to get pics fairly easy).
From memory, ya, most smaller boats would only have one boiler. The size
thing, well it really depends. SS Great Britain has 4, if I recall right, but
that has to do with boiling salt water...not quite as odd as SS Great Eastern,
which had sail, screw and paddles...
James P
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