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Throw me a bone, here, People. ~Mark P.S. Just to keep this on-topic.... I like Star Wars! (...) laws.. (...) (24 years ago, 1-Jun-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) didn't (...) IV, (...) But, you must remember that the ONLY thing that holds water when it comes to the SW movies is the movies themselves. Books mean nothing, and nothing in them should be accepted as fact. -Chris (24 years ago, 31-May-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) I'm not entirely comfortable having C3PO built by Darth Vader; it seems a little too contrived, even for Lucas. On a more universe-specific note, didn't 3PO in one of the myriad books indicate that he'd never had him memory wiped? If so, it (...) (24 years ago, 31-May-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) We're basically agreeing here, though our aesthetic opinions are in conflict. Thoughtful criticism demands close viewing/reading. Perhaps the problem is less specifically with plot than with particular elements of pacing and story. The (...) (24 years ago, 31-May-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) Um, Dr. Evil, um, we couldn't get the mutated sea bass...Animal cruelty laws.. :-) Toki (24 years ago, 31-May-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) I agree in principle, but I'm not entirely sure I'm comfortable with your choice of adjective (personal taste, I suppose). Dave! (24 years ago, 31-May-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) Yeah, but their consverations in the pod racer hanger seem to show that they are getting to know one another... It will be interesting to see how they meet up again. -Chris (24 years ago, 31-May-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) <snipped> Agreed. TPM is about a different time. I didn't expect it to be a copy of any of the originals, in fact I liked it a lot. Here's another thought, in the 'dark times' that we see during the height of the Empire, friendship may be more (...) (24 years ago, 31-May-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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Forgot to cross-post to other topics... All are welcome! ~M (...) (24 years ago, 31-May-00, to lugnet.space, lugnet.build.mecha, lugnet.starwars, lugnet.castle)
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"Dave Schuler" <orrex@excite.com> wrote in message news:FvG074.KFK@lugnet.com... (...) If (...) raise (...) re-invention of (...) the (...) I too, recall hearing that the book is an adaptation of the screenplay. Hiring an exceptional writer to do (...) (24 years ago, 31-May-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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"Bryan Hodges" <bhodges@SPAMBLOCKco...ntweb.net> wrote in message news:FvFzy8.JDv@lugnet.com... (...) way (...) trilogy (...) is. (...) story, (...) matter (...) the (...) sales (...) I was going to post my opinion, but I see that it already has. (...) (24 years ago, 31-May-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) what (...) and (...) But how can you make those notes and/or reflect on anything if you didn't pay attention to the plot to begin with? I can't tell you how many times I've asked people to explain their opinion and they can't tell me why they (...) (24 years ago, 31-May-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) Very true. It is intended to show the fall of the Old Republic, the skillful connivings of a little known senator from Naboo, and how one boy can have such a dramatic effect on the fate of the universe. (...) Me, if it's one of the Kevin J. (...) (24 years ago, 31-May-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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Scott: (...) I wasn't aware of that the book had come from the screenplay, but you raise another good point, bordering on meta-criticism; any film is a re-invention of its screenplay to some degree, and a book is likewise a re-invention of the film (...) (24 years ago, 31-May-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) George Lucas, most notably. (...) At the same time, one cannot ignore the actual problems with the plot, whether or not someone else decides to "pay attention" or not. Further, "paying attention" to the plot doesn't simply mean carefully (...) (24 years ago, 31-May-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) I don't see this as a problem. After all, the acting in the original trilogy was not top notch, but that didn't keep any of us from loving it. I don't think there is a problem with TPM, I think there's a problem with people's expectations. (...) (24 years ago, 31-May-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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Dave, (...) of (...) 1000% (...) vice (...) the (...) a (...) may (...) the (...) to (...) Well, I thought the book was from the screenplay, unless I misunderstood. If it is not the case, I agree with your point. However, if it was in the original (...) (24 years ago, 31-May-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) not (...) I don't see this as a problem. I think one of the real problems is that people went to see TPM, expecting it to be a stylistic copy of ANH: a swashbuckling adventure against a powerful Empire. That's not what it's about. TPM was (...) (24 years ago, 31-May-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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Scott: (...) The problem with this, of course, is that the movie isn't the book, nor vice versa. As a work unto itself, we can't view the movie's quality based on the quality of the book, because they're two distinct entities. This happens a lot; (...) (24 years ago, 31-May-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) Just because Lucas has something in mind for the character, doesn't mean it will be good. Take C3PO as an example. He was annoying in E4 and didn't further the plot. He was annoying and humorous in E5 and still didn't futher the plot. E6- (...) (24 years ago, 31-May-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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