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Ah, some fascinating dicussion possibilities... (...) that his definitions are "proper", implying that other definitions should be ignored. I recently posted my views on this here: (URL)This article is very well written and brings up a good (...) (22 years ago, 15-Jan-03, to lugnet.space)
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<snip> (...) I think this is an excellent question to ask in the face of Space Warfare. Why in space? I've asked myself that, and this is what I came up with: Obviously planets and planetoid structures (asteroids, etc) would be the key territory to (...) (22 years ago, 15-Jan-03, to lugnet.space)
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(...) Probably not, actually. Fighters/bombers are expensive peices of equipment and getting them into (and out of) an atmosphere is a problem. If you want to bomb a territory, just drop rocks on it. Cheap, easy, accurate, utterly devastating, and (...) (22 years ago, 15-Jan-03, to lugnet.space)
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(...) True, somewhat. This is exactly what battleships and dreadnoughts can provide: off-shore bombardment. This is the purpose of the CIG (Celestial Impact Generator) on my own Armegeddon Class battleships (it is essentially a non-explosive rocket (...) (22 years ago, 15-Jan-03, to lugnet.space)
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(...) At an SF convention when I was in college, one fellow gave his theory of what first contact would be like: A large rock hurtling towards Earth at relativistic speeds. Boom! Flash! His theory was that once you develop the capability to easily (...) (22 years ago, 15-Jan-03, to lugnet.space)
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(...) Fascinating. Although one interpretation of this is to say that any society is inherently a threat due to their very existance, and thus all societies should be erradicated. This type of logic is dangerous because it opens up the possibility (...) (22 years ago, 15-Jan-03, to lugnet.space)
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(...) Not according to Star Trek. Space is relatively planar, so you essentially have borders. Everyone knows you can't go around a temporal anomoly...you have to go straight through. And all spaceships face up. Peace, Long Life, and Giggles, Tony (...) (22 years ago, 16-Jan-03, to lugnet.space)
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(...) One of my favorite products from Ad Astra games (who make games that actually use science) is a T-Shirt, with the front showing: "Give a person a relativistic rock, and they will shatter a planet today. Teach them to do the math, and they will (...) (22 years ago, 16-Jan-03, to lugnet.space)
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(...) Ahh, but that assumes you have the technology. His theory is that you will get blasted to oblivion before you get the technology. There's also the time factor. You don't have all that blasted much time to react to something approaching at (...) (22 years ago, 16-Jan-03, to lugnet.space)
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(...) True. I always find it unsettling that when I see a documentary on SETI and there is invariably an interview with some scientist who says something like, "Surely if there are advanced alien societies, then they will want to communicate with us (...) (22 years ago, 16-Jan-03, to lugnet.space)
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(...) I'm strangely reminded of Pierce Brosnan's character in Mars Attacks. (...) Not being that familiar with scientists in general, I can only guess that even the godless need something to believe in. Besides, the warmongers surely have enough (...) (22 years ago, 17-Jan-03, to lugnet.space)
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(...) Yeah, I understand his premise, I just don't buy it. :) Even stipulating 1 possibility for a technological culture per say 10,000 stars that's still 50 million sites (half a trillion stars in our galaxy alone) you need to check. Further (...) (22 years ago, 17-Jan-03, to lugnet.space)
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(...) I agree that the numbers seem staggering. On the other hand, clearly the number of interstellar civilizations is below some threshold. Of course part of the premise is also that the first civilization to make it to interstellar capability (...) (22 years ago, 17-Jan-03, to lugnet.space)
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Ahh, but that assumes you have the technology. His theory is that you (...) also (...) Unless acceleration is almost instantaneous, the waste energy of whatever accelerates the rock to light speed will reach you long before the rock does. Assuming (...) (22 years ago, 21-Jan-03, to lugnet.space)
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(...) Holy Moly! You sure know your physics! :) I would add though, that if the attacker in this scenario were concerned with "expenditure of resources" then they would be very unwise to ever consider killing a planet known to harbor life. Let's for (...) (22 years ago, 21-Jan-03, to lugnet.space)
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(...) That too requires the target civilization to recognize it (the energy wastage) for what it is. If there *is* wastage to detect in the direction of the target--again, not something we can be sure of, necessarily; it may be that one has to be, (...) (22 years ago, 22-Jan-03, to lugnet.space)
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(...) A minor tangent, but it's got a pointer to a neat toy. The Drake Equation (1961) is the classic articulation of the potential for technological--and communicative--civilizations. There's a neat toy at www.seti.org, too, that lets you plug in (...) (22 years ago, 22-Jan-03, to lugnet.space)
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I thought the Drake Equation was: Massive Collection + Endless Aquisition = Tha' Original Freak ;) In lugnet.space, Lindsay Frederick Braun writes: (snippage of great stuff) (...) (22 years ago, 22-Jan-03, to lugnet.space)
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(...) That could actually apply to quite a few of us. *cough cough* ;) best LFB PS: The Takao site's almost ready to go up. (22 years ago, 22-Jan-03, to lugnet.space)
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(...) You must be joking, right? Intelligence has already done immeasurable things for our species. If you're talking about our capacity for conflict and self-destruction, blame our million-year-old instincts. IMO, intelligence is about the only (...) (22 years ago, 22-Jan-03, to lugnet.space)
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(...) Depends on how you look at it. Yes, there are some great things to being intelligent at this level. However, LFB said that it is "an evolutionary dead-end". If you think about it, that is somewhat true. We are less likely to evolve from our (...) (22 years ago, 22-Jan-03, to lugnet.space)
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(...) Redemption is, of course, an ethical concept, not an evolutionary one. Yes, our propensity towards violence is rooted in the competitive nature that very probably *gave* us our intellects to begin with; but that aggressive nature in itself (...) (22 years ago, 23-Jan-03, to lugnet.space)
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(...) There's some analogy here about blaming the gun rather than the wielder, but it's a little too late in the night for me to tell whether it changes the argument... (...) So would I! I hope I didn't unintentionally imply otherwise. (...) (...) (22 years ago, 23-Jan-03, to lugnet.space)
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Ahhh...to one day be part of that lofty crowd. 'Sigh'. I've gotta earn more money :) -G (...) (22 years ago, 23-Jan-03, to lugnet.space)
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