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Ok, I haven't been around for a little while and I haven't seen any news at all about this, so I'm going to ask my fellow members: What's happening to the RIS?? The last update, 2.0, was not even close to being an update, all there was was some (...) (21 years ago, 28-Jan-03, to lugnet.robotics, lugnet.robotics.rcx)
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(...) Not a whole lot. (...) No - I think you pretty much nailed it. They needed a new USB tower because increasing number of PC's don't have serial ports. I'm beginning to believe that they only did that in order to sell off their inventory of (...) (21 years ago, 28-Jan-03, to lugnet.robotics)
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The only bona fide piece of information I have is the recollection of an off-hand comment made by one of the TLC staff who was at BrickFest last summer who said that if the Spybotics line did not make money, then the future for the Mindstorms line (...) (21 years ago, 29-Jan-03, to lugnet.robotics)
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I guess we'll just have to wait on you to get that project you mentioned some time back finished. I recall you were going to design the "perfect" RCX clone. Is that project still in progress? -Rob "John Barnes" <barnes@sensors.com> wrote in message (...) (21 years ago, 29-Jan-03, to lugnet.robotics)
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(...) That's pretty depressing - if Spybotics don't make money, Mindstorms is doomed - and if Spybotics does make money Mindstorms *is* Spybotics...so we're still doomed. (...) What I wanted to see happen would have solved that problem quite neatly. (...) (21 years ago, 29-Jan-03, to lugnet.robotics)
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(...) *BUT*... If we could build our own RCX, what's stopping us from building our own motors? "doom"...what a depressing application of the word... ~Mike (21 years ago, 29-Jan-03, to lugnet.robotics)
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(...) No - enough people convinced me that the interconnect and addressing issues of I2C would be a problem that I decided not to do it. ---...--- Steve Baker ---...--- HomeEmail: <sjbaker1@airmail.net> WorkEmail: <sjbaker@link.com> HomePage : (URL) (...) (21 years ago, 29-Jan-03, to lugnet.robotics)
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In lugnet.robotics, Steve Baker <sjbaker1@airmail.net> writes: [...] (...) I'm certainly getting the backhoe with nine penumatic cylinders available later this year. (URL) out the Technic is not dead! thread (URL) (21 years ago, 29-Jan-03, to lugnet.robotics)
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I see no reason why TLC couldn't just continue to manufacture RIS 2.0. Why continue with R&D to develop 3.0 if 2.0 is more than adequate to stimulate young minds into considering a career in engineering? 3 sensor inputs and 3 motor outputs are more (...) (21 years ago, 29-Jan-03, to lugnet.robotics)
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From all the posts I've gotten so far, this is a very sad day for lego...... Maybe in a few years, Lego will come to its senses and start off a new supercharged RIS 3.0. that will have a built-in, slimmer, lighter, rechargable battery, with more (...) (21 years ago, 29-Jan-03, to lugnet.robotics, lugnet.robotics.rcx)
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Steve, these were interesting thoughts. Thanks for the good read. e (URL) (21 years ago, 29-Jan-03, to lugnet.robotics)
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(...) I was thinking that if TLC links these two devices closely....well let's say I think that while they share simular characteristics they are really very different. I would hope that the fate of Mindstorms and Sybotics lay on different roads. (...) (21 years ago, 30-Jan-03, to lugnet.robotics)
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(...) I agree. One thing I thought is that, Keep the RCX and offer an expanded version of the Technic Control Center. It currently has three motor controlls via the pad keys and plays back movments. I'm making a giant robot that has 6 motors on just (...) (21 years ago, 30-Jan-03, to lugnet.robotics)
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Steve! What a great Idea, having components that you could snap together like code blocks but with real Lego! What a natural idea. If I understand your idea right, you could have a small,say, 4x4 or 2x4 bick ROM computer that has a dedictaed (...) (21 years ago, 30-Jan-03, to lugnet.robotics)
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(...) I strongly disagree. You can (with a lot of stupid messing around) push the RCX beyond anything reasonable. The awesome Lego Typewriter is a classic example. These are incredibly ingenious devices - and if you want to treat robot design like (...) (21 years ago, 30-Jan-03, to lugnet.robotics)
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(...) Oh, but there is one - it's called the Micro Scout and we all know how versatile and "upgradable to Mindstorms" that is... Any other computeresque brick that does anything kids would find cool (i.e. does more than stand still and react to a (...) (21 years ago, 30-Jan-03, to lugnet.robotics)
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(...) Whoa, how about checking that attitude right there. Your inflection: "That guy has *way* too much time on his hands!" is a little offending. You speak of great concepts yet admit to not carrying them out. I build what I think I can accomplish (...) (21 years ago, 30-Jan-03, to lugnet.robotics)
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(...) To be absolutely honest, I don't think this is my idea - I think I've seen something a lot like that built as a college project. (...) That might be unreasonably costly. I was thinking of having a little knob that you'd turn to select (for (...) (21 years ago, 30-Jan-03, to lugnet.robotics)
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I have this Idea, stick with me, The arm of my robot has a limit at the upper and lower extremes. I use The RCX and rotation sensors to keep the robot from breaking its own arm. Ocassionally, there is a skip, either the RCX or Sensor misses it (...) (21 years ago, 30-Jan-03, to lugnet.robotics)
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(...) My profound apologies - I didn't mean it to come out like that. It's dangerous to infer an inflection from an email. That expression frequently means "Wow - that's amazing - I really wish I had the time and patience to do that - but I (...) (21 years ago, 30-Jan-03, to lugnet.robotics)
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(...) And I too appologize for calling you on that, I'm just sensitive to that because I fear that same perception has taken hold of a few. Your a sport thanks! (...) I see. (...) That's cool. Infact, I am starting to open up to the possibilities (...) (21 years ago, 30-Jan-03, to lugnet.robotics)
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(...) I agree with this wholeheartedly. And I think that LEGO is missing out on great opportunities in this market because of these limitations. I know LEGO can't afford to cater to only the AFOL, but I believe that there are many (I don't know how (...) (21 years ago, 30-Jan-03, to lugnet.robotics)
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(...) Hmmmm. I read that as Steve commenting on *other* people pointing as *his* work with that comment and the attitude "Well, it's really cool, but what's it good for?", and wanting to avoid that. Brass (21 years ago, 30-Jan-03, to lugnet.robotics)
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(...) I agree whole-heartedly. This is the idea behind JCX which has now been in development for over a year, and has been rather extensively alpha-tested at a major university. This past fall students at the University of Utah were able to use the (...) (21 years ago, 30-Jan-03, to lugnet.robotics)
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(...) One of the "sticky bits" has been designing a manufacturable Lego(tm) compatible connector. We have prototypes and have yet to order the several thousand for production. We don't plan an enclosure per se, at least not now, but will use Lego (...) (21 years ago, 30-Jan-03, to lugnet.robotics)
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(...) Pneumatic Cylinder. :D Each of these prevents your robot from breaking his arm, and doesn't need sensors. I recommend Mario Ferrari's "Building Robots with Lego Mindstorms" for mechanical ideas that simplify the electrical control. (I.e. less (...) (21 years ago, 30-Jan-03, to lugnet.robotics)
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(...) All right, you asked for it :) (URL) amount of wires connected to the RCX should give you an idea of how fully I used the RCX. Overall, there were 5 motors and 7 sensors connected to it :) The main page describing this robot can be seen here: (...) (21 years ago, 31-Jan-03, to lugnet.robotics)
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(...) You RTL'ers are amazing! Absolutly fantastic. I could just imagine the complexity of the programming either that or the beauty of its simplicity! Just great! wow! Thanks! e (URL) (21 years ago, 31-Jan-03, to lugnet.robotics)
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(...) This is an interesting idea, but I think a bad one. The software should stay where it is now, in the software. Putting the software in hardware just creates the need to buy even more bricks. On the surface, that seems like a good think for (...) (21 years ago, 1-Feb-03, to lugnet.robotics)
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-snip-. (...) -snip- (...) -snip- (...) -snip- (...) I'm an AFOL in training :-). Seriously, I've been angry at what Lego's been pumping out since I was in 5th grade (I'm going into 10th now, but still the same matter), and I really think they need (...) (21 years ago, 21-Aug-03, to lugnet.robotics)
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Yes, you are on to something. Many industrial robots are "programmed" in much the same way. The operator "teaches" it which movements to make using manual controls, and then the robot can do those movements over and over again without error. In the (...) (21 years ago, 21-Aug-03, to lugnet.robotics)
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I'm getting one for Christmas. The pneumatic parts in it are the new style, though. That means the big cylinders no longer have that "brick" at the bottom of them to attach to studs. All there is now is the Technice hole at the bottom. (21 years ago, 21-Aug-03, to lugnet.robotics)
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(...) Well, golly! some of this is coming true. (^_^) (albeit three years later) I for one am mighty happy about the rechargable battery in the Education version of the NXT!!! Sounds like it might even have direct power options. -Suz (who really (...) (18 years ago, 7-Apr-06, to lugnet.robotics.rcx)
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